I'd just like to add that the reason for the letter and this thread topic is to allow the public to have a voice rather than the council taking a one sided poll and using that to justify their position whilst ignoring those that have a different opinion.
One reason you may have so much traffic is because the council put bumps down a main traffic route in the area, Green Lane. This a through road and has a 30 mph limit ( I agree with them by the school but why the full lenght of the road. Those bumps are severe and force traffic to go down Lambs lane/Birchdale road to avoid them.
The A57 can not take all the Warrington through traffic and local traffic. The A57 should obviously be the main through road for through traffic but local traffic should be expected to use the local roads.
I will use any road available to avoid sitting in traffic.
What does annoy me is people who have drives in the area but park the cars on the road causing an obstruction and making the situation worse. If you do not have parking for more than one car then should you realy have more than one.
20mph
We did not get a questionaire and we would have put no to the bumps and returned it.
NoTick
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(27/10/06 12:21 pm) Reply
notick
I think speed bumps are more effective than a speed limit which has to be policed to be enforced.
I did respond to the council's origional survey, but proposed that instead of building bumps across the entire width of the carriageway, they installed bumps on either side which would not slow down emergency vehicals etc.
Also this would not disturb loads on trailers being taken to the tip. (see all along Green Lane for the effect of present bumps)
Re:Paddington Speed Bumps
Well there you have it. Those were the comments made on all the papers collected both for and against. Just two have been left off for now (1 for and 1 against) but these are quite lengthy but in the interests of fairness I will post these up later when time permits.
One thing that stood out from speaking with several residents and confirmed by the returned comments is the high numbers of people who say they haven’t seen the council’s questionnaire? Maybe it just wasn’t obvious so I guess I should withdraw my remarks about apathy and tend to think this may just now be poor communication.
Just to pick up on a couple of issues.
“How can this be representative of the residents when the only form of recognition is a tick? “
Our survey was carried out to find the true wishes of the residents in the simplest way possible. Many people did volunteer their name and address but that does not alter the results. I’m sure there are some out there that would say that the results are meaningless without names and “legally” that is probably true. I assure you that we carried out this exercise in a fair and honest manner and the results are accurate.
“THOSE PEOPLE WHO DONT LIVE ON BIRCHDALE ROAD SHOULD MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS”
Hostility to other residents that don’t share your point of view will do nothing to help your cause. I have a lot of sympathy for the people who are upset about the situation on Birchdale Road and would realy like to see the problems sorted out in a manner that works for all residents.
Had a couple more calls today from people we missed both of which supported the 20mph plan.
I've printed out the results and they'r on the notice boards of both newsagents in the area. The co-op took one but I can't see it anywhere??
I also wrote to the Guardian, the letter is on their forum as well. The same letter went on WWW who said they would wait for the council to give their response before comment or printing anything.
I will try to contact the local councillor but for now I'll wait to see what HQ have to say.
Bill
PS Oh by the way. All that walking has bust my right foot. I'm taking pain killers each night and have to keep putting an ice pack on it.
John Regular Poster
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(31/10/06 2:41 pm) Reply
Re: notick
On a different, but relevant, topic I was in London last week on the day that it was announced that Richmond were going to charge residents more for parking permits for cars that they decided were less environmentally friendly and I discussed this with two of my colleagues. One of them said ‘that is what Ken Livingston wants’ and it occurred to me that is the problem with this country, i.e. it's what politicians want and not necessarily what the people want. I think this speed bump issue is just another example. Of course most people will be in favour of laws etc designed to prevent a minority spoiling things for the majority but in this so called democracy it should be the majority of people who decide on the issues that affect them and the people they vote for should take the trouble to find out what the people actually want regardless of their own point of view. However the Government (both national and local) seem to think that whatever they consider to be a good idea must be implemented regardless of the views of the people affected and will resort to suspect polls in a token gesture at democracy (remember a recent Government poll in which they declared showed that the majority of people were prepared to pay more for their TV licence!).
As I don’t live in the Paddington area and don’t use the road in question it doesn’t affect me so I’ll leave it to those who do live there to decide, if they are allowed to. However I wouldn’t want speed bumps in the road where I live so good luck Bill with your efforts to reflect the true views of the residents.
Quote:I am a Health & Safety Consultant with over thirty years in that proffession and have just received an univited letter
Incidentally ‘iantom’, surely your job title should more accurately be 'Health and Safety Dictator’ and are you saying you only ever want to receive letters that you have personally invited? (and presumably then only the ones that you also agree with).
bumps
This was one of the long winded ones. From the style and the red ink, I suspect this is our friend the health and safety expert?
The petition was signed by 164 residents and therefor is relavent.
The road bumps are not contentious or unpopular to 179 residents only to 20.
if you drive slowly enough over the bumps (which is what they are there for) there is no damage to the stering odr suspension.
Some people do not adhear to the speed limit whatever it is! Watch the traffic on Manchester road or Birchdale.
Unsigned petitions have no value (Remember your banana republic analogy)
REMEMBER THAT A LOT OF CHILDREN USE BIRCHDALE ROAD & SEYMORE DRIVE. ONE DEATH OR INJURY IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.SPEED LIMITS DO NOT STOP DRIVERS SPEEDING.
If you live in a grove you do not have the problems that we have on Birchdale. Heavy traffic (avoiding the bumps on Green Lane), speeding cars (at least three have crashed into walls on the bend in Birchdale) and one car recently partially demolished a house front.
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