Seanie Boy
Unregistered User
(11/22/01 12:10 am) Reply
Ah ha!
To you i present ISOHaven! The only smart person i have come accross!
Though i myself am unfmailer with the laws, he seems to have a moral graps of somthing
The question is, if you download a copy of what games you own, is that a BACK UP, or a pirated copy? To have a back up, wouldent you have to back up your particular cardrage to make it all said and leagal? Something to ponder.
ISOHaven Registered User
Posts: 3
(11/22/01 9:39 am) Reply
Re: Ah ha!
That would depend on the licensing.
Gross Example:
I buy Windows 95 and I download a backup of windows 98.
That would be against the licensing.
I'm sure if you buy a game when it's released and you buy the same game 5 years later that there will be a revision difference. Sort of a "behind the curten" fix of any bugs.
Now as long as the licensing states you are entitled to any revision within the game then it doesn't matter where you get the backup from. For the most part I doubt it even mentions it so all is good. They would have to specificly state that you are only entiled to x.xxx.
If I pay someone to backup my investment then all is good, if someone backs up my investment for free all is still good.
Ones and Zeros are just that. A copy is a copy is a copy.
NOW, what I have seen from some ROMS are that "groups" are inserting their own graphic in the startup of the ROM. THAT IS A MAJOR NO NO and goes against 99.9% of all licensing. Owning illegal software at that point is just as illegal as making it.
It comes down to two issues. A legal issue and a moral issue.
Which of these are you willing to break for the sake of a game. Both? Choice is yours, it's your fine. If you BUY the game then nintendo doesn't give a D.A.M.N. what you do with it, they got their money and they will NOT spend thousands of dollars to drag you into court. Even if you didn't buy 1 game and you illegaly played 1 game they still WONT spend thousands of dollars just for the sake of $30-$50. As long as they get their money to which they are intitled to.
Now if you are running a pretty heavy ROM duplication scheme and are selling them and they are loosing tons of sales, THEN they will drag your a.s.s. to court and make an example out of you.
Let's say you have 200 GBC roms on your machine, thats almost $7,000 worth of sales. I'd keep that to yourself if I where you. Unless you actualy own the licenses.
Two more cents:
Nintendo HAS to be a hardass about emulators and roms because they promote copies being made. Legal, Illegal, Right or Wrong... If they dont put a fight then it would be even more widespread then it already is.
Reverse Example:
If stupid tree loving hippies never gripped about the ozone layer then we would NOT have electric cars today.
You are by far the most inteleggent person i have come into contact today, despite the fact that this is all text.
I would appretiate it if you would email me at Takumi@zworg.com
Perhaps we could exchange INstant mesages or something..
Hey...this is supposed to be under Seanie boy...All well. G'day!
ISOHaven Registered User
Posts: 4
(11/26/01 8:24 pm) Reply
Re: Heh.
Thanks
I dont get on the internet that much thou. I work all day and what time I do spend at home is used building a new business I'm tring out.
Cheap Plug:
www.saveitondvd.com
Comming soon....I hope!
poopoo4u
Unregistered User
(11/29/01 10:47 pm) Reply
you can smell it?
YAY ISO YOU ARE LIKE THE SWELLEST wow thanks for explaining that there are production values in games and that they dont magically appear on store shelves, you are like the smartest guy ever.
this is a stupid arguement, emulation isnt a problem when theres mass pirating going on, you can buy a phony gamecube and games in hong kong already, and you want to homilectic and tell us were wrong.
well...i fling crap in your general direction.
ISOHaven Registered User
Posts: 5
(11/30/01 1:06 am) Reply
Re: you can smell it?
poopoo4u,
What? You don't read very well do you? I never said anyone was wrong. But now that you mention it. IF YOU COPY A GAME AND PLAY IT WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT THEN YES YOU ARE WRONG. Does anyone here give a s.h.i.t.? NO, we have all copied programs before and most people here will continue to do so.
My entire statement goes WITH being ALLOWED to backup your software.
And as for your smarta.s.s comment about explaining game production, that was in response to poopoo platter to which I'm going to assume that is also you so your obviously just pissed that I put you in your place so that also explains your throwing s.h.i.t. at me comment.
Oh, and if it's such a stupid argument then why are you arguing? Funny how that works eh?
You can buy a phony gamecube and games in HK? WOW! What a coincidence you can do the same thing in the US.
What a small world!
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Sounds like someone's feeling a little guilty??????
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Oh and one more thing...
"emulation isnt a problem when theres mass pirating going on"
Re: you can smell it?
No, Roms are not illegal and neither is emulation. Copyrighted Roms are illegal if, and ONLY if you do not own a license to that game. Buy purchasing the game, and opening the package, you have a license to the game and can do whatever you wish with it as long as you are inside of the agreement. Read and you will see, nothing is said about backing up the software on the cart. Copying and distributing is another story.
ISOHaven Registered User
Posts: 6
(11/30/01 3:16 pm) Reply
Re: you can smell it?
NoahFex,
Did you read ANY of my other posts? Because if you did and if you where able to comprehend them, then you would have known where I was coming from.
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What was meant:
ROMs lead to illegal ownership of RETAIL games.
IF ROMs didn't exist then emulators would not exist so the ONLY way to play a game would be on the actual system.
So the main point is...if there where no ROMs then there would be no Illegal ROMs. Now while that goes without saying I was replying to a stupid comment made about how ROMs have nothing to do with pirating.
Had you understood THAT, then you would have understood my comment.
I'm going to say this all at once so there's no damn confusion between someone not reading all the posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- ROMs are NOT Illegal
- Emulators are NOT Illegal (unless you pirate code)
- Going from CART to ROM is not illegal (unless you alter the rom)
- Playing a game without owning the license IS Illegal
Does ANYONE HERE remember what the original post was????????
"Owning GBA ROMS is illegal even if you own the game."
The above is my reply to that post! Period!
You either believe what I've said or you don't.
If you do then good
If you don't then , YOUR LOSS.
Bottom line, if you own the license and the physical product then you ARE ALLOWED to backup your investment.
Gamer650745
Unregistered User
(12/1/01 3:20 pm) Reply
To Bad
People like me will download the roms with or with out your permission you cant stop us.
ISOHaven Registered User
Posts: 7
(12/1/01 11:47 pm) Reply
Re: To Bad
Gamer650745,
What the HECK are you talking about?
That is NOT what this post is about at all.
No one cares if you download ROMs
No one is tring to give you permission
No one is tring to stop you
The QUESTION is:
Are you allowed to turn the CARTS you own into roms?
Actually, playing a GBA game without a license is not illegal. If I were to go to a friend's house, pick up his GBA and play a game I don't own, then I would be breaking no laws.
roms
do's anyone realy care about it being against the law co's i don't real give a f*$& about the laws. You will never get don for it. Once you download one rom you just carn't stop, so i suggest you try it.
right on twiggy
i agree with twiggy who real gives a *&$% about the law iam sure the cops would rather go after robbers and murders than a few kids sharing there files over the internet.
ISOHaven Registered User
Posts: 8
(12/3/01 12:23 pm) Reply
GBA Roms
NoahFex,
Thats a totaly different issue. You can play the GBA game where ever and whenever you want. So long as it's ONE instance of the game.
To start another topic,
If you create a ROM of your GBA game and play BOTH of them at the same time is that illegal?
The question stands because myself I am unsure as to where the license even discusses that to begin with.
As for the last two posts,
If you guys dont care then why are you posting?
Cops have NOTHING to do with this issue.
And obviously someone cares because this post was created.
Bitch Nugget
Unregistered User
(12/10/01 4:12 am) Reply
Now...
Like anybody is scared of being thrown in jail for playing games. Besides there's so many people doing it, it's almost impossible to catch them.
@#%$ Nintendo and all the other comercial game makers
They keep making the games we'll keep copying them.Anyone got a prob wth that @#%$ you to damn.
Thank you and have a nice day.
crazytop
Unregistered User
(12/16/01 8:49 pm) Reply
@#%$ this law guy
Hey law guy u can take ur laws turn them sideways and stick them strait up ur candy ass.
No one cares about these laws and i apriciate ppl like emu makers and programers because they rule. And u some law jerk that dont know anything about pc comes here and post this bull @#%$. I have 3 words for u "Shut ur mouth"
Sorry for my speling.
minemee
Unregistered User
(12/17/01 9:53 am) Reply
u bser
u were bullshiting its not illigle even if it is who gies a dam
Fireball
Unregistered User
(12/19/01 4:52 am) Reply
I Dont know what alla yas problem is
Hey,
The way I look at the whole subject is if you like to have illegal copies or backups of any sort it is your Problem.and if you get caught stand to it.
So keep it your Problem and don't try to make others believe the same Shuit as you do!!!!
@Thatmariolover
bjmcreal Registered User
Posts: 1
(12/26/01 1:07 pm) Reply
Re: I Dont know what alla yas problem is
Now, multiply that measily 2$ per copy sold and multiply it by 1 million (and remmember what you said, 2$ profit after paying all the workers).
I understand the labor, electricity, oil, parts and all that, but I say they can charge 10$ a game and still have more money than us gamers put together!
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