No! I never said they were actual beings! They are personification of elements around us. That has been my opinion all along, sorry if I didn't explain myself correctly before. Yes, I am wiccan, with a few christian beliefs, among many others. I understand it's an emotional thing for you, as my religion is for me, the exact same reason I have been acting testy, and they same reason I'm here. Yes, I find problems with combinging wicca and christianity, they can't be, but combining ASPECTS is perfectly fine. Adding or removing something for either side, destroys it. It's like combining a truck with a car. I love my trucks, you guys decide to go take a car and a truck and put them together. I personally don't care, but once you start calling it a half-truck it is taking away from MY trucks.
Oh yeah, and people did that, and they called it a VAN.
Once again, and this is for EVERYONE, please read carefully:
I have no problems with people believing what they want, I have no problems with people making thier own religion, but don't take away from mine by using MY name for MY religion. You can do whatever you want, but don't let it effect me. People can go kill each other if they want, just don't do it in my name, or I WILL have to fight it, it's my duty as a wiccan, or anyone from any religion, to defend it.
Crow:
If that was towards me, I do not PRETEND to be anything. I do not retard anyone's growth on anything. If me getting involved in a debate with someone that stunts thier spiritual growth that is thier fault, not mine. It's all how you look at it, as for me, if someone questions ME, I just use that to reinforce my beleifs. If you are so insecure in your beliefs that someone asking questions about it puts it into jeopardy, maybe you should rethink your spiritual position. I am all for helping, I help nearly everyone that asks for it, but as of yet I havn't BEEN asked. You presume to lecture me on following the rede, when you yourself have insulted me, and most likely intentionally. I am not here to HURT anyone, as a matter of fact, I am here to prevent MY hurt, and all I have been treated with is MORE hostility. I hate to say it but as much as I promote variety among religions and beliefs, I'm starting to dislike this one, but only from some of the members who have yet to show a good example for it. You yourself said that it is the exact church mentality that made them 'start this journey' and suggested I was the same. If in fact that WAS true, wouldn't I be helping by strengthening them more? In which case, doing the rede justice. Look, I never said anything against this religion, at least, not intentionally, all I wanted was a change in names, or a REALLY good explanation as to why it should be kept. I have yet to recieve anything more than hostility, and probably even hate, with the exception of a few here who seemed to be able to keep thier composure. If that last post wasn't directed at me, you can basically ignore all that above, unless you are really bored....
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"You can do whatever you want...Just don't let it effect me."
You make the decision as to what affects you or doesn't. I have been on the Wiccan path for a very long time, and I have Cunningham's book as well. I would like to suggest to you that you become VERY familiar with the "Thirteen Goals of a Witch" (p. 151) and apply them.
I am new to the Christian Wicca concept, although I can't say that I haven't wondered if there were such a path before now. I have read the essays, and I think that it is all very interesting. It doesn't matter to me what anyone calls themselves. It does not change my relationship with God. Nor, do I need them to explain their position or right to the title. And, from what I have seen/read so far, I think that the title fits. In all of my studying, praying, meditating, the one thing that I couldn't give up for Wicca was my belief in Jesus Christ as my personal savior and as the child of "God". What I couldn't give up to Christianity was the idea that there was a "feminine side" to the ultimate deity. I choose to see "God" as both mother and father, the eternal "parent" if you will.
Ultimately, you have to make your own decisions about your path. Don't let others dissuade you, but don't try to dissuade others. We are all individuals, and it is my personal belief that "God" comes to each of us in the form that we can best understand, accept, revere, and worship.
Kim
PS--I thought the combination of a car and truck was called an El-Camino.
crow Registered User
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(2/21/04 8:42 am) Reply
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I did mean to point my statements at you, but not perhaps for the reasons you might think. I regret that you may find anything that I said as antagonistic it was not intended to be so. However the posting "You're kidding right" is at the least inflammatory to the persons on this site. I will tell you that I encourage all stimulation of the brain through debate, but you have to temper things here on this site, or any other, where there may be people out there looking for answers. To loosley define this, as you would have it be, it's like you wanting to learn to surf all your life. You wanted it,and then you went to buy your first surf board and the guy at the store said "You're kidding right". You probably would be on your way to the next store. As far as security goes in my convictions I am quite well, and am not swayed by closed minded thinking. However, these seekers are not, they have no real spiritual connection. You say that you want to be asked to help, so help. The big question to me is, why does a label bother you so much? "What is in a name?" I want you to know that my goal in responding to you is not to turn you or otherwise inhibit your viewpoint, on the contrary I enjoy the new perspectives. All I ask is tone down the nature of what you say so that we all do not look as if we are just like every other place that these seekers go to and do all the same things. I extend the olive branch of peace and would like to instead begin a spiritual discussion, That is why you say you are here. Just dispense with the rhetoric. Yes too I must admit the El-camino was not very sucessful. One last thought though. Remember that Wicca is an amalgamation of many different religions and mystery cults itself. To say that any one religion is pure is folly. This posting however is long enough so next time I will at length explain myself and my views as I will not say more on this matter..............crow
Re: You're kidding right?
Kimberleigh> What can I say, I'm not a car person. I have the thirteen law thingies here, and I WAS going to type them out to prove it, but then I realised that I still have some semblance of a life I, AGAIN, have no problem you people believing what you want. It it not diluting my beliefs in the slightests. Would a christian not feel insulted if someone proclaimed themselves to be christian-whatever and went around on a murderous rampage? The point is, and I never thought this was so hard to understand, you people created a NEW religion, so get a NEW name.
Crow> Wicca is also said to be the first ever religion, it doesn't mean it's pure, but how would it be that it contains OTHER'S aspects? Wouldn't it be the other way around? I have said, countless times, I don't care, people can combine whatever they want, just don't do it in my name. Would you be happy if I went around saying I was you and did things you never would? What's in a name? A name is a label, it represents who you are. Wicca is my name, it represents who I am, and when someone else takes that name, and uses it for something totally different, it isn't representing me. Besides, if a name isn't of any importance, what's the big deal with you guys NOT changing yours? I'm not stopping anyone from believing whatever they want, had I been the 'guy selling surfboards' and was TRYING to stop people, I wouldn't limit myself to these few threads now would I? Try to understand why a person like me would be angry. I mean, if I made my own religion and called it new-christian-wicca and then practiced raping and sacrificing and defiling myself and other, would you guys not be offended? Crow, you suggested that it's just a name, whereas in past posts I have seen people say they made the name like this to attract people instead of scaring them away. I'm not stopping anyone, if the surfboard anology were true, if someone asked me for one, I would give it to them with a smile on my face. The title of this thread is no more stopping me, or anyone from anything, than, say, the sign on the surfboard shack. Besides, if a name isn't important, why is my title of this thread?
So it's obvious there is alot in a name.
"To know a person's name is to hold power over them."
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(2/21/04 11:26 pm) Reply
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Point accepted. I concede to you that you make a good argument, however..........I do not want to sound like I am talking you into anything. First of all to explain myself.....hmmmm? Eclectisim comes to mind. I could say I am a Christain Wiccan and then I could say that I am a Christain mystic, I have even hear the term Christain Witch used. "Witchcraft is the science and Wicca is the religion", please forgive me I misremember were I read that but it was on the net. Perhaps at www.religioustolerance.com. As religion goes; a name? Let me place this on you, what do you think this should be called? Does one have to follow a set of rules and procedures (guidelines) to call themselves a specific thing? That would be called dogma. I believe in a polytheistic viewpoint in that God Goddess and Jesus are part of a holy trinity but are also seperate and individual. I believe that there are certain Angels that hold sway over things and can be petitioned for certain purposes. I believe that the horned god could be concieved as a John the Baptist type personification of Jesus reference "there are other sheep who would hear my word", going about the earth to spread his love and message. I believe in hell being a place that God did not create and does not condone but that just as the bible says that it was created by a rouge angel this brought about the balance of humanity called good and evil the yin and yang. Without this there would be no free will. Hell to me is a concious choice by a person, a path to take, and it is temporary and that one day the balance will completely shift and good will prevail as we learn to have free will without corruption. To me God and Goddess and Jesus are loving and caring and giving they allow us to be completely corrupted and allow us free choice they do not convict us as a judge would. Does this conflict too much with you? Let me know. I am trying to condense a rather large subject into a small space please forgive me if this is imprecise. Please pick specific topic points and I will specifically explain them one at a time consider this an overview. Perhaps a very poor one I have much more to say but would like to focus my thread just a little bit......crow
Re: You're kidding right?
It's okay, talking me into it is half the reason I am here. I do not know what it should be called, I didn't create it. When it comes to being eclectic, when I joined wicca I actually joined the eclectic/geogian path. But even though I am extremely eclectic, I still follow the wiccan dogma, therefor I am wiccan correct? You guys (and I'm referring to christian wiccans) have altered that dogma, even in the slightest, so therefore it is a whole new religion. Yes, it has key elements of both, but that doesn't mean anything, at least to me. As I have said before, I follow/believe many christian things, I can still quote some parts of the bible, but I still consider myself nothing more than an eclectic wiccan, not christian wiccan, not anything like that. What you believe doesn't conflict with me at all, as a matter of fact, I can fully understand and appretitate it, but that is still seperate from almost everything I have learned about the wiccan dieties. I mean, yes, they are close, very, but that still doesn't mean it's the same. Yes, witchcraft isn't part of the wiccan dogma, and many people that aren't wiccan practice it, that doesn't make them half wiccan. I actually had to come back and read your post twice, I wasn't totally awake last night. This morning however, it is much more clear to me, and it isn't that imprecise, although I guess that can be measured by how close to the topic my reply was
that and I hate reading hugely long posts, I'm a point form kinda guy.
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Jayjen35 Registered User
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(2/22/04 11:40 pm) Reply
Re: You're kidding right?
Okay, so it is only the name that upsets you. Well, there are many names out there for this kind of religious thought. There is Trinitarian (I'm not sure if they have the word Wicca as part of their name or not). Christian Mysticism (though I don't believe most would say Wiccan thought or philosophy is a part of their faith, but a few do) Celtic Christianity, Esoteric Christianity, Nature-based Christianity, or Creation Spirituality. But often I've found that those Pagans that object, object to the entire idea of nature based Christianity.
Many seem to feel that we have "stolen" from them because some use Wiccan ritual in their worship. If the image there is of a bunch of people who just see a lot pretty ceremonies and use them as a "grab-bag" for the trappings of some sort of "new-age" fad, then I can see and understand the objections.
But, I would say that if you've read a lot of the things said here you'll see that most of us were unsatisfied with what we were taught by mainstream or more repressive sects of Christianity and were searching broader and differing ideas of spirituality. I found the rituals and went in search of the philosophy, theology and mythos behind them. What I found, love and reverence of the Goddess as well as the God, value for feminine spirituality, the veneration of the Earth, the acknowledgement of the spirit world and the exploration not fear and dread of it, the sense of history and wisdom... the ritual that was designed to bring one closer to those mysteries and ultimately to oneself. And of course there is magick (but you don't really need to be Wiccan to practice that ) Those are the things that brought me to this path. I've read about Buddhism and Hindu and Voodoo, and found beauty in them, but they didn't resonate with me the way that Wicca did. So why not just be Wiccan? Simple, in the same way that I heard the voice of the Goddess, I heard the voice of Jesus Christ. I called He was there. I called on the Goddess, She was there. I won't deny either so here I am.
And there's more, value for earthly things-not only the ethereal, acknowledgment of the good in humanity, as well as a healthy acknowledgement of the darker side of human nature rather than attributing it to outside influence. A healthy view of sexuality, the need for balance. ect. Fluffy bunny to be sure, but where does personal religious faith start? With theology or what the individual feels. And as I said I'm just starting out here. And as I said I don't particularly want to identify myself as Wiccan, I don't really care about labels much, but again I think often those objects go beyond just the label.
So, it would be helpful for those of us a little slow on the uptake , why not describe exactly what your beliefs are (as much as is allowable of your tradition of course). At least to the extent that it would show clearly why we cannot or should not share them. Like; to be Wicca you must a. b. c. and d. and you cannot e. f. g. or h. Okay so I'm simple, I need a map! But this is rather important, if people are to change a part of their religious belief system due to your argument it should be very clear what that argument is!
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(2/22/04 11:58 pm) Reply
Re: You're kidding right?
I think I will start a with a little pure thought.....pure? What is Christianity? A simpleton would say it is one who folows Christ...but follow how? Is he a teacher, leader, prophet, son of God and Godess? I have always thought that there was a problem with that word, too broad a definition is possible, hence I think therein lies the problem. I think that is where some of your dislike for the title may come from??? However I think in this sense most use it as an identifier. It's like saying you are Italian Wiccan, the first part identifies a tradition or belief system the second denotes that you use that stucture (dogma) to be Wiccan....make sense? But it is that hurdle that Christains burn witches (Wiccans etc.) at the stake. So how do you embrace a religion that once persecuted you? Take away the religion. You can be Wiccan and not a witch and vice versa. Why not be A Christian Wiccan but not a Christian? Christian for me would just be an identifier not a direct choice of behavior. So put it this way for me I love God Goddes and Jesus but do not embrace the majority of the belief system that has been ingrained into society. However I find that there are compelling arguments in the bible that actually supports not destroy's what Wicca is. It does beg the question, if you did not know what you were what would you be? What were we before we had a name for what we are? Does God or the Godess have a name, is Jesus only one incarnation of the son? We have to answer this for ourselves to find our answers......crow
Re: You're kidding right?
Look, merging religions, takign ideas from some, whatever, doesn't bother me in the slightest, I have no problem with it, yet these discussions keep coming back to that. I myself have taken some beliefs from other religions but let me say this: If I became a satanist, and yet believed a small fraction of christianity, would you guys feel okay with me proclaiming myself a Christian-satanist? I know it's a little bit exaggerated, but that's somewhat the feeling I'm getting. I mean, calling ones self wiccan, means you are wiccan, so when you aren't fully a wiccan, using that title is just diluting the name of those who ARE wiccan. You guys will be somewhat representing MY religion because you decided to use our name, and yet you aren't fully wiccan. Would you let some random person be a representative for your beliefs just because they decided to use your name?
Okay, in repsonse to what my beliefs are, this is hardly the time or place, no offence, I'm not exactly in the best of moods today anyways. Sorry.
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Jayjen35 Registered User
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(2/24/04 12:02 am) Reply
Re: You're kidding right?
I'm sorry, I suppose that your personal religious beliefs are not really any of my business, and aren't actually needed here. I was really looking for general core Wiccan beliefs that you feel are in conflict with Christian theology. Or perhaps some core Christian beliefs that conflict with Wicca (keeping in mind that many here may not hold those beliefs). Things that make it impossible for a person to be fully Wiccan and fully Christian.
As for the idea someone using the title Christian that I might object to, actually there are quite a few who do. The Christian coalition, the KKK which calls itself a Christian organization, and the Christian identity movement among others. I personally find these organizations repugnant. But Christianity has been around a while and is well known so many use the name. Some because they genuinely feel a strong connection with Jesus Christ, some merely because it's a great buzz word that they can use to gain power, influence or more followers. If this is the way Wiccans see this then I see why there are so many vehement objections (not yours specifically but those of Wicca in general)
So, you're saying if we don't wish to be counted in the ranks of the purely Pagan Wicca, then why try to be half in half out, that it is in fact impossible to be. But, I think that most who call themselves Christian Wicca do so not to latch onto your religion, but to openly proclaim, and not hide or ignore what they believe to be an intergral part of their religion. Many Pagan Wicca claim that Christians have "stolen" parts of their religion in the past, well, I don't think that the people here are trying to usurp or steal from Wicca, but to lovingly express their personal beliefs and acknowledge the fact that those beliefs are in fact Wiccan. In light of this, guess I've never understood the amount of contempt I sometimes get from Pagans when it comes to this subject (again speaking generally, not about you specifically) Edited by: Jayjen35 at: 2/24/04 12:06 am
First of all, ruling me out specifically does not bother me, as it seems I'm the only one here that knows what I'm talking about anyways, either that or I REALLY don't, one of the two. I have no problem stating my personal beliefs, if someone asks and I know they won't drag me off to the psyche ward I LOVE talking about it, but yes, it's place is not here. I mean, me even trying to point out basics that conflict with christian beliefs, and vice versa (which I did in my past posts, I'm pretty sure) isn't the point, as I don't see a problem with it anymore. I mean sure, when I started coming here I thought it couldn't be done, merging the christian and wiccan dogma, and keeping them both still fully intact, and now I'm just not sure, and I just don't really care, that is not the issue.
Quote:it's a great buzz word that they can use to gain power, influence or more followers
It was told to me in a previous post that this is prettymuch the reason our name is used, which you said you understand my whole reasoning, I hope you meant that at least.
Quote:If this is the way Wiccans see this then I see why there are so many vehement objections
I'm just hoping you are the first person on here that has finally grasped what I'm really on here for...
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(2/24/04 8:30 pm) Reply
Re: You're kidding right?
My head hurts......lets all go to taco bell and grab a burrito on me........I am about like you and have just confused myself I think.....I just am me......Can we conjoin our religions, maybe can we agree never......that is the crux of it all we just can't....I think that as liberalism goes the back door is just as closed as the front door.....we are all judging one another and not acomplishing a thing.......nobody intended or directed at...I have looked at many posts here and there and beyond and I see no hope in sight......maybe we need an oblique approach to things........nightshroud are you a practicing pyschiatrist, therapist,cousellor, student? Ironically my father teaches pshycololgy(I do not think I can spell that word).......just curious.......what are you shrouding? I see you consider yourself a servant of Hades....interesting....is this from a mythos point of view or an actual spiritual connection? And to any others out there we all are going round and round to convince one another of one thing or another but how can we even try this and not know a thing about each other? ASk me I am an open book........crow
Jayjen35 Registered User
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(2/24/04 11:00 pm) Reply
Re: You're kidding right?
NightShroud, actually when wrote that your personal beliefs weren't needed for the discussion and that they weren't any of my business it was an apology as I thought that I'd, from the tone of your post, stuck my nose where it didn't belong. I'm sorry if I wasn't able to make that clear. I did not mean it to be meanspirited or dismissive and I apologize if that was the way you "heard" it .
When I wrote: many use the name [Christianity]. Some because they genuinely feel a strong connection with Jesus Christ, some merely because it's a great buzz word that they can use to gain power, influence or more followers. If this is the way Wiccans see this then I see why there are so many vehement objections I meant that while I understand that many Wiccans see the use of the name Christian-Wicca in the way that I described, I don't believe that those who use the title Christian-Wiccan do so in this crude and opportunistic way.
When I read the post about the naming of this site I thought that the poster was saying that the name was meant as a sort of "flashing sign" to those of us at the begining of this seeking who had always been taught that Occult or Pagan teachings not only could not be mixed but were evil and those who sought information about them were damned, have a place of understanding, and learning with people who are on the same or similar path. I do understand your objections. But they seem to reflect (and please tell me if I got it wrong ) a feeling that those who use the name Christain-Wiccan are doing so with wanton disregard for the meaning of what Wicca is and the love and respect that you and Pagan Wiccans in general hold for it. What I was trying to say in my post (and probably not very well I admit) was that I don't think that this is the case. What I see here, and in a few other places is love for Wicca and the desire to learn as much as possible about it. Also, the need to express the great importance that Wicca holds in the lives of many here. That it is as important to them as their Christian faith. When you look at it from that viewpoint maybe its a little clearer why the name Christian Wicca is being used here and why it is so important to them.
Oh boy, I'm probably not being any clearer here than I was earlier...but as I said before I'm no theologian. Just trying to find some answers. Actually I'm looking for the right questions! So I am always willing to listen to whatever information or wisdom is offered. In fact I am here for that very reason! Maybe I haven't been asking the right questions? Edited by: Jayjen35 at: 2/24/04 11:02 pm
Re: You're kidding right?
Crow> Yes, I have studied the art of psychology, although I am too young to have a degree, I find it funny you asked. I just use the title servant of hades because hades is my personal diety, my guide, if you will, I am a servant to all, I just found the title fitting, it's also my e-mail.
Jayjen> I know what you meant when you asked, and I havn't taken any offence to it, so stop apologizing already! I am more than open when it comes to my personal beliefs, but only in the right curcumstances. I understand what you are saying, actually, I think the quote you used, wasn't meant to be so crude, as you said, the name is used as a 'flashing sign'. Look, it's not purely wiccan, so it shouldn't be using the name, I mean, there are other ways of attracting 'christian wiccans' without using the name, such as keywords. It's just that some may find this religion as a reflection on wicca, which isn't right, because it isn't wicca. I mean, yes, it is partially, but, I mean, would you let people you don't know represent you? Look, my whole concern is the people who may see this as a reflection on wiccans, the only people I want to be judged as wiccans, are wiccans, not christian wiccans, or anything else. As for your search for wisdom I would offer you visit my site as well as this one, any many others, but mine isn't exactly up and running yet, for lack of members, long story, lol.
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Jayjen35 Registered User
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(2/25/04 3:30 pm) Reply
Re: You're kidding right?
Ah, well I hadn't had much sleep and in that condition my posts become a little manic and tend to meander a bit!
And I've visited so many web sites, Pagan and other wise that I'd have real trouble even begining to list them all. So its likely that I've been lurking around some of those sites already! But I have found a few Yahoo message boards as well as Beliefnet and WitchesVoice very informative. Well off I go to do some lurking
hmmm
I was just wondering, seeing as the preconcieved notion of the beginner of this thread seems to think that wiccans must follow certain beliefs to be able to use the name "wiccan", does this rule out all people who claim to be of the establised and accepted Faerie Wicca Tradition? It is my understanding that they do not believe in the God and Goddess aspect at all, and I dont believe they are frowned upon by "true wiccans" as if anybody anywhere could ever lay claim to that name. I got bored with this thread weeks ago but decided to check in to see where it was going, but I see MR nightshroud still believes he knows what a true wiccan soldier should be. If anybody wants to believe that Wicca is this ancient religion, then why are the rules written out in books only a few decades old? Do the research, Gardener based some of his tradition on witchcraft lore and what he got from a supposed meeting with Dorothy Clutterbuck, made most of the rest up , and what comes from Cunningham is even further removed. By making this statement, I am not trying to say that the religion isnt real, in fact it is a beuatiful and viable religion in ALL of its forms, but to suggest that the books of any particular writer must be taken as Wiccan Law is laughable. Wicca is a religion whos very basics I have not yet found absolute agreement on, no not even on the wiccan rede. Sorry if I upset the thread here, but this is just rediculous.
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(3/3/04 8:54 pm) Reply
Re: hmmm
ambiguity comes to mind...........Are we still on the same thread here? Have any of you ever read Scott Cunninghams dedication at the beginning of his book? "This book is dedicated to the forces that watch over us - however we may envision or name Them" I think that in itself says a lot to bring this point arouind to home.....I mean I think all that any of us wanted out of this discussion was to find an argument to justify what any of us of either side wanted to be the correct or "right" view point I think the fact is we are all right and we all share the same religion we just name our maker differently.......that to me is the best I got....crow
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Yes, I am so glad that somebody actually reads. It is these type of statements that seem to be ignored or passed over by some who believe wicca to be so restrictive. While I am sure not everyone who calls themselves wiccan will agree with his dedication, or even how it should be interpreted, it is there nontheless, and while I maintain that there are no authors who can claim to be the last word in wicca, the huge popularity of Cunningham should have enough readers familiar with that statement to make this thread a moot point.
NancyChandlerPittman
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(3/5/04 5:34 pm) Reply
No, sweetie - you are kidding, right
I think you should try expanding your studies - Scott Cunningham is the Father of Simplified Wicca - Generic Wicca that just mentions God and Goddess . . . there's LOTS of great big pictures in his books to color, too!!
If you wanna get a little deeper try the Farrars (that's Stewart & Janet, and Janet's continued works with Gavin Bone - they are from the Alexandrian Tradition) and actually try ready Gerald Gardner, who is credited with the revival of Witchcraft in the form we know today as Wicca.
If you are confused about Christianity syncreticisms try reading up on the Golden Dawn, the Rosecrusians, and for goodness sakes have you never been to New Orleans or read anything about Voodoo (Vodun), Santeria, or various forms of Hoodoo?? Do a web search on Christian Witchery, love - we're all around you and we are not all fluffy bunnies in Wicca either. Sometimes about reaching 40 and studying the Kabbalah (that's Hebrew Mysticism by the way - - - you know about Jews right?? You've seen the movie?? or whatever . . . )
Just expand your mind - it's like an umbrella: it only works when it's open
Nancy* the author of that Rediculous Book
"Christian Wicca: the Trinitarian Tradition"
and owner of a . . . "oh my word" an Occult Shoppe
Ask me about Satanism, Zoroastrianism, Paganism, Vampirism, Astral Travel, and bad goth music (LOL!!)
I, AGAIN, have no problem you people believing what you want. It it not diluting my beliefs in the slightests. Would a christian not feel insulted if someone proclaimed themselves to be christian-whatever and went around on a murderous rampage? The point is, and I never thought this was so hard to understand, you people created a NEW religion, so get a NEW name.
) Those are the things that brought me to this path. I've read about Buddhism and Hindu and Voodoo, and found beauty in them, but they didn't resonate with me the way that Wicca did. So why not just be Wiccan? Simple, in the same way that I heard the voice of the Goddess, I heard the voice of Jesus Christ. I called He was there. I called on the Goddess, She was there. I won't deny either so here I am.
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