Where would they be on Gor?
I have always held the opinion that most people who call themselves Gorean, do so because they are unhappy with some aspects of their life. They wish that the world they live in, had more dominant men, and more women who are submissive.
It's a point of view I can sympathise with, I rather like men who are dominant, and certain men make me wish to be submissive.
However the world hasn't only got me in it, and I can't
always have what I want without treading on another's needs or wishes.
That some men make women feel this way is one of the clichés trotted out by Goreans. They do not seem to realise that they definitely are *not* those sort of men, for they often seem quite needful and much of their posting is boastful and posturing.
I have often wondered how some of them would have fared, if they had found themselves on the planet Gor.
I feel sure they would not have lived long, and probably would have been enslaved before they died.
There have been some who have wished to bring the philosophy of the novels to our planet.
A very big part of Gorean philosophy is the subjugation of the weak i.e, those who cannot function in society.
I wonder if their outlook will change a little as the years pass, and they find themselves becoming weaker?
One of Gor's most avid lifestylers, who insists that he has lived by the philosophy for many years, cannot function as well in our society as once he did.
His hands hurt when he types. How lucky for him that he will receive help and kindness from his fellow citizens, and that no one will come and take from him what he can no longer protect.
What a good thing no one will hassle or deride him for his weakness.
I do wonder though, why he does not get his *slaves* to type for him.
From beneath the stench of the rapidly decaying dead forum a miniscule rodent peeks her head up from the rotting debris around her to squeak out a plaintive cry….
A mouse who has remained hidden for these 4 to 6 weeks since being publicly humiliated and thoroughly discredited.
Better beware….there may be hungry felines around looking to end your miserable existence.
The psycho rodent...
...has been too busy masturbating to the news reports of the child killings and molestations.
Which people are dangers to society, again? It couldn't possibly be "people" who advocate the physical and sexual abuse of children or those who assist in creating the fantasies that these psychos spend playing over and over in their heads during their pathetic and lonely days. newp. Those folks are perfectly normal and should be left alone to spew their tripe that leads to all of these news reports we're currently seeing.
Re: Film at Eleven...
With hearing that one of her..."stories" is being thought about for a porno...errr... movie, one would have to wonder how THAT will effect the National Average for these Pervs that are stealing children...
As for her feeble question... mouse... how long do you think YOU would survive? Better yet... WHY do you ASK?
Re: Film at Eleven...
I suspect she asks because she hasn't been able to get her much needed punishment this month. You know she only uses these forums to get men to react to her drivel and "punish" her for being so bad.
Re: Where would they be on Gor?
Boy, I haven't been to a Gor related message board in ages.
I do have to ask though. Why did everyone that responded veer off the subject matter?
Just to make things clear here, I have not had any correspondence with Dean in months and Minxie and I have never spoken nor written to one another one on one.
"Why did everyone that responded veer off the subject matter?"
How many links would you like to direct you to sites that have already beaten this topic to death every time she or anybody else brings it up?
There are no new answers. The answers these people have always received will be the answers we continue to give, and yet she (and others) continue to ask the same questions.
I can provide five links off the top of my head. With some research I can probably find two dozen. From this board alone I could probably find three.
Rather than question why we "veered off the topic," you should ask why these people can't show some mental agility and come up with a different question every so often.
Re: You have got to be kidding me...
I kid not. It was an honest question, but I'm not going to argue my original question any further. There's no need.
When this board first opened I thought it grand that there was a place were people could debate pro or con on Gor as well as talk about rping issues and just other things in general. Granted, I know Dean is very hot headed when it comes to his opionions and I would say the same for many that come here as well.
Shouldn't we all feel passionate about what we believe?
But then it got too much (for me). The bashing on both ends. Nit picking at everyone's flaws or differences. I'm not pointing a finger at anyone.
We have spoken before, Tiberius (ages ago) in the RPing realm (rooms), I always went by the name of marissa there currently it is la marissa.
Ugh, okay.... I don't know why I posted nor why I'm posting now. I just did. I myself have decided to explore on a more spiritual level to help find myself with use via Eastern Philosophy and have remained "gone" from any place I use to inhabit online. Perhaps I'm just looking back and wondering what it was that use to make me so upset in the past and why I allowed it to affect me and remain.
I also can't argue the point either way anymore actually. I'm just your basic BDSMer (submissive), who has and still is exploring down that path trying to find exactly where i fit into that large nitch. I have accepted that. I have accepted the fact I am not nor can I be a slave (unless that miracle man is out there). I have accepted the fact that I have things I love to do for my own self pleasure and that learning to put myself first is an important factor in life "for me" right now.
I rambled long enough. I guess I could have summed it up with "Can we all just get along?" lol
A reply to Minxie
"I have always held the opinion that most people who call themselves Gorean, do so because they are unhappy with some aspects of their life. They wish that the world they live in, had more dominant men, and more women who are submissive."
I have always held the opinion that people who call themselves human do so because they are unhappy with some aspects of their life. Is there anyone you know that is totally satisfied with the status quo of their own life? Do they have no regrets? I have to agree, though, that I do indeed wish there were more dominant men and more women who are submissive. This very concept was true less than half a decade ago. Of course, the concept of single income families was true half a decade ago as well.
"That some men make women feel this way is one of the clichés trotted out by Goreans. They do not seem to realise that they definitely are *not* those sort of men, for they often seem quite needful and much of their posting is boastful and posturing."
Men do have needs and desires. Boastful and posturing are two aspects that define the male gender. It's an inherent quality that has caused both war and peace.
"I have often wondered how some of them would have fared, if they had found themselves on the planet Gor."
Some would not fare well at all. Others would thrive. Stop wondering.
"I feel sure they would not have lived long, and probably would have been enslaved before they died."
They, who? Those who follow a philosophy or those who pretend to be what they are not?
"There have been some who have wished to bring the philosophy of the novels to our planet."
Many philosophies have been introduced in earths history, and philosophies have been built upon philosophies. The novels were written by a man who lives on "our planet". Through the act of publishing, the Gorean philosophy has been introduced already.
"A very big part of Gorean philosophy is the subjugation of the weak i.e, those who cannot function in society."
A very big part of Gorean philosophy deals with community, ie: Home Stones. Subjugation of the weak was a vehicle used to introduce and discuss the concept.
"I wonder if their outlook will change a little as the years pass, and they find themselves becoming weaker?"
Outlooks change as you grow older, not weaker.
"One of Gor's most avid lifestylers, who insists that he has lived by the philosophy for many years, cannot function as well in our society as once he did.
His hands hurt when he types. How lucky for him that he will receive help and kindness from his fellow citizens, and that no one will come and take from him what he can no longer protect.
What a good thing no one will hassle or deride him for his weakness."
Refer to the "community" thing. We know of whom you speak, how mature of you to attack someone who has clearly stated he is done defending himself from these kinds of personal intrusions. Day late and dollar short.
"I do wonder though, why he does not get his *slaves* to type for him."
Re: A reply to Minxie
It would be easier were the edit option available, but I should make the correction. When I said "decade" I meant "century".
Oh well, I guess that little slip is just cause to make the whole reply not credible. Carry on.
-Ron
As you know, my general response to serious inquiries is much different from the response you saw to this particular query. Rather than explaining why I responded to this question in the manner that I did, I can point you to a string on the Silk and steel board in which minxie answers the question wonderfully by her own words.
In addition, she proudly proclaims how she writes stories for people who fantasize about beating and sexually using small children. The fact is, this person is nothing more than a sicko looking for attention. If you would like, there are several boards which contain my typical good humored responses and infallible wisdom. :) This is simply not a forum where serious responses are worthwhile as has been proven time and again.
Regardless of all of this, I'm glad to "see" you about and hope you are well.
I disagree that I have been publicly humiliated or discredited. As of yet there has been no gorean who is able to conduct a conclusive debate with me, responding to the issues.
I understand why you make this claim. It is reasoned that screaming about what you perceive as the speck in my eye, it will divert attention from the beam in the eye of the philosophy you say you live.
Tiberious,
I don’t agree that the topic has been satisfactorily dealt with. And even if it had, so has every issue that any of us may care to discuss.
You can find no evidence that I masturbate over, or advocate child killings. If you could you would certainly do so.
Such extreme, hysterical untruths do not serve your argument well, and people would respect Goreans much more if they would engage in civilised debate.
In case there is anyone reading here who does not know to what it is you are referring:
I write stories for the Rejuve Universe spanking site. It is a science fiction setting where adults are rejuved to children. No sexual activity takes place between my characters.
They are stories that serve ageplay needs. You may wish to look up what ageplay means, so you can be reassured that it is nothing to do with children.
Dunstan,
My writing that is being adapted for film work is not to do with spanking. I do not only write BDSM material.
I have asked you before if you would care to debate *real parenting issues* concerning *real children* and Gorean philosophy. You declined.
As I have pointed out before, look at how children are treated in the Gorean novels.
It is far, far worse than anything in any writing you can find of mine.
Yet you take your lifestyle philosophy from these works that show such horrific abuse. I have stated many times, my stories are fantasy, and are not a worthy philosophy.
There is a chance that I would fare quite well in Gorean culture, because I am a woman who has been found attractive to men, and I have fair intelligence.
Why do I ask? Because I am trying to make people think. Would you really want to live there? And see women brutalised and children born into slavery, and people tortured everywhere you looked?
Moghedien,
I find it amazing that *free women* are drawn into Gorean philosophy. I understand *slaves* because they are seeking to have an extreme need met.
I always fear when I encounter a Gorean Free Woman, that she really *does* follow the philosophy that I so fear.
Please do be assured, that any of my needs are met very well, and I have no desire at all to interact with Gorean men in the way you suggest.
I do wish to debate with them, because I don’t believe they, in the most part, really wish for the things that are part of the philosophy.
Melissa,
Thank you for your voice of reason. With online Gor, there are elements that are life enhancing, that you can take with you. You are no different to the *slaves* you speak of. They too are *just your basic BDSMer submissive),*
I would really love to *get along*, to debate the issues, without the insulting rhetoric.
Ron,
Thank you for your responses and for debating the issues.
I agree that only a few years ago, the world was arranged differently. Perhaps more of us were happy then. BUT IT WAS NOT GOR.
Why not start a *return to 1950s philosophy?
There have been no societies where happiness has thrived, where one group, be it ethnic, political, gender based, religion or any other division, has terrorised another.
I don’t agree that boasting or posturing are male qualities, except perhaps in the immature male.
I don’t agree that some men from online gor would thrive on Gor.
However fit and strong they were, (and I doubt that many from western cultures would be) The simple fact that they spoke as a barbarian would be enough for them to be enslaved.
I agree that many philosophies have been introduced to us, and many may find elements that are worthy from them as they search for what they want in life.
They will also discard what they find unworthy. I am pointing out what I consider unworthy aspects of the Gorean philosophy, to see who agrees with me, and who thinks that actually the concepts that concern me are in fact worthy.
I think outlooks change with life experience, and discussion is part of such experience.
Experiencing weakness oneself, may make one think that the subjugation of the weak is not a good concept. I would hope that as thinking human beings, we can empathise without having to experience.
Community care is a wonderful concept. However, I want those who do not have the backing of family or community to be protected and cared for and valued.
I want a *village earth*, where we care enough to try and ensure that no one is left at the mercy of those who would exploit.
I’m afraid I am unfamiliar with the phrase *day late, dollar short*
The individual of whom I am referring has many times stated that he is leaving online Gor, but has always returned.
On the 2nd of July this year, he stated how he pitied those who had given up, then on the 29th of July he gave notice of his own leaving.
It is such a rapid change of attitude, and as his hands hurting are a major factor, I simply wondered why he did not use his slaves to type for him.
If any of you are kind enough to respond to this, I will be unable to reply for some weeks, but if the board is still here, I will certainly do so when I return.
Re: Issues?
:::I disagree that I have been publicly humiliated or discredited. As of yet there has been no gorean who is able to conduct a conclusive debate with me, responding to the issues.:::
Bull @#%$! or if the Filter is still on... Cow DoDo... the latter might be more understandable to you mouse, the language is more in keeping with what you are used to.
:::I understand why you make this claim. It is reasoned that screaming about what you perceive as the speck in my eye, it will divert attention from the beam in the eye of the philosophy you say you live.:::
Works both ways there rodent... how long have you been screaming about Gor? Something you admit you know NOTHING about! Or at least have shown that you do not.
It has been proven time and again that you have the wrong definition of the word "Debate"... but keep yer fingers in yer ears and say "LaLaLALA" really really loud, might work.
:::My writing that is being adapted for film work is not to do with spanking. I do not only write BDSM material.:::
So what OTHER kinda "Porn" do you write?
:::Why do I ask? Because I am trying to make people think. Would you really want to live there? And see women brutalised and children born into slavery, and people tortured everywhere you looked?:::
Obviously you have only read the books to find what you wanted to bitch about... too bad you missed some of the nicer things... but then it wouldn't do much FOR you if you looked at it with the possibility that there MIGHT be something of value in them...
You keep up with the same tired BS you always have... nothing new in your arguements... nothing new to tell you... but keep at it... maybe someday you will find someone who will give you the answer you want... not the ones they feel!
Facts
Main Entry: por·nog·ra·phy
Pronunciation: -fE
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from pornE prostitute + graphein to write; akin to Greek pernanai to sell, poros journey -- more at FARE, CARVE
Date: circa 1864
1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2 : material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
The above is from Merriam-Webster Online at: www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
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Addiction to pornography
Pornography consumption can be as "mood altering" and as addictive as narcotics,
-a study by Richard Drake, assistant professor at Brigham Young University College of Nursing.
Studies show pornography is progressive and addictive for many. It often leads to the user acting out his fantasy - often on children.
-Victor Cline, Ph.D., Department of Psychology, University of Utah 1988, Pornography Effects: Empirical and Clinical Evidence, pg. 24
Pornography and sexual assault
Research gathered over the past few decades demonstrates that pornography contributes to sexual assault, including rape and the molestation of children.
-Pornography Victims Compensation Act of 1992, U.S. Senate Comm. on the Judiciary
Child molesters often use pornography to seduce their prey, to lower the inhibitions of the victim, and to serve as an instruction manual.
- W.L. Marshall, Ph.D., Pornography and Sexual Offenders, in PORNOGRAPHY: RESEARCH ADVANCES AND POLICY
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"You can find no evidence that I masturbate over, or advocate child killings. If you could you would certainly do so."
Actually, I haven't done a second's worth of searching for evidence of anything on any on-line persona. What I do have, however, are commonly accepted facts that people who engage in the types of fantasy such as you enjoy producing are exponentially more apt to be the child killers and abusers that we are seeing today. Those are the facts.
Also, you really should have denied the fact rather than state that I can't find evidence to prove that you do. People might (mis?)interpret what you are inferring.
Go encourage more of the sick fantasies of these monsters.
The reason you can’t understand why a Free Woman would be involved in the lifestyle of Gor is because you will never understand what that means. Regardless of how many times it has been clearly explained to you, no matter how well it has been “debated” with you, you simply will never understand because you choose not to understand. Suffice it to say that there are many very intelligent, complete, wise women who see the philosophy inherent in the lifestyle and choose to live accordingly. This philosophy is like so many others in the world, but one which we choose, as adults, to live by. We do not condone subjugation of the weak, child pornography, ritual beatings or anything else like that, as you have been told specifically before. We choose this path because it is a good one.
Why do you so vehemently fear for us Mouse? I simply don’t understand that anymore than you understand us. If we are truly on the road to hell...well...why not just let us go? Why not spend your time and your voice attempting to rid the world of hunger, terrorism or child molestors....You have been asked why in the world you choose to write what I and many others consider sickening pornography, stuff that simply encourages child molestation regardless of what kind of name you put on it. “Age play” is simply a nice name for something nasty. We are just as sickened by what you do as you supposedly are by our choices, but with more reason.
We have to agree to disagree and leave each other to their own personal path.
As for you not finding anyone to “debate” with you about Gor, that is because you simply don’t understand the idea of debate dear. What you want to do is argue and change minds with rambling, irrational repetition. That is not debate. Perhaps if you were to learn how, someone might be interested. You were challenged many times on the S&S thread to a true debate but you simply couldn’t do it. Stop blaming everyone else for your own shortcomings.
Finally...if you found a new song to sing, someone might just listen to it. Until then, the words you are speaking are so old they are growing new life forms.
Melissa....the reason we can’t all just get along is because Minxie won’t let it be. Whenever she feels the need to be bad, she enters a Gorean forum and challenges the men to a “debate” or to justify their choices. Surely even you can’t expect people not to react to that. Trouble is, we are just giving her what she wants. Ignoring her would be the best medicine for what ails her. The world as it is today, will never be a nice, lovey dovey kind of place. All the wishing in the world, all the decrying argument and friction won’t change it. If you want peace and love, don’t look at these forums.
I just have to start with the fact that I go to what forums I please.
When I stated, "can't we all just get along?" it was done in jest. Even you said that arguing with Minxie is giving her what she needs, but yet you do so.
I know how the world is today. I don't live in a bubble. There is enough venom in the world. Just please don't spew it at me for making an innocent comment that wasn't aimed to hurt anyone.
I didn't think you'd remember me, I was caught by surprise. No need to send me links. I do on occassion venture to other boards and read strings. I just don't post (or have learned not to) lest I get myself torn to shreds.
As for Minxie, I have never read any of her stories. Being involved in the local lifestyle here, I do know there are those that partake in Age Play and Infantilism. Even the basic man on the street seems to confess how much he is turned on by seeing a girl/woman in a Catholic school uniform. I however don't take part in either of the two version of role-play when it comes to my lifestyle choices.
Right now, I respectfully remain Switzerland.
By the way, I have been very well. Thank you :) And I hope the same can be said for you.
Very well said. The rodent probably won't understand a word of it as she has proven time and time again that her reading comprehension is sub par. She was indeed publically humiliated and disgraced when Marcus blew her arguments out of the water on the Mega-Thread.
Melissa....
Get a grip woman... nobody was spewing at you, least of all Moghedien.
And for the record...this forum is about as dead as they get. Checking the stats on this board it seems that the 6 of us posters are the entire readership.
Sophia Deer (mun Nancy Deer With Horns) http://www.angelfire.com/ct/deerwhorns/ Deer With Horns Native American Indian Site
"A nation is not conquered until the hearts of its women are on the ground.Then it is finished,no matter how brave its warriors
or how strong their weapons." Cheyenne proverb
Re: touchy, touchy Melissa
Oh sorry that is what Boditah is..MIA
The vet who is still MIA..his mind is anyway...
You got a big mouth Thom....
I have wanted to say this for a long time...
You and your @#%$ slave can kiss my ass.
I would like to take your @#%$, cut if off and shove it down your throat until you gag and asperate on your own vomit.
You can be crude..well @#%$ yes, so can I.
Get over your disgrace in Vietnam buddy..the war is over...we lost..we will go on.
Sophia Deer (mun Nancy Deer With Horns) http://www.angelfire.com/ct/deerwhorns/ Deer With Horns Native American Indian Site
"A nation is not conquered until the hearts of its women are on the ground.Then it is finished,no matter how brave its warriors
or how strong their weapons." Cheyenne proverb
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