What if religion is a fabrication?
Yes, I know it's rather deep for a subject... Didn't know where else to post it...
Anyway, my question is, what if religion is a fabrication? What if all of it was created by one hell of a writer? What if similar stories were not proof that reinforces the truth of religion, but rather a good view of excellent plagiarism at work? Haha, was really thinking about this the whole morning... Yes, a bored mind can come up with some ridiculous questions... I myself believe in the casual 'something above, something below, do as much good as you can' belief... Wouldn't say it's a religion as such... When I refer to religion, I have more emphasis on the three most closely linked ones, that being jewish, christians and muslims... So much similarities, so much contradictions, so much hidden secrets... Bleh...
The way I look at it, religion is just a channel in which to understand the things that are beyond human comprehension. If you look up the histories of all religions, those inconsistencies you speak of do make sense, but only to the people of those times.
With the advancement of science and technology, the need for religion seems to have died out somewhat. We now believe in science and the facts they prove, the only thing that doesn't need faith for it to be true. God, if there is a god, must be rolling his eyes at humanity.
PCD
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Re: What if religion is a fabrication?
Very intesting subject, and personally, I believe religion is a story, or, a fairy tale (if you will) gone wrong..
Take the bible, for example, It could have started out as a publication someone started out and a reader took it literally, eventually, popes, kings and other corrupt people took an advantage out of that, and exaggerated upon it, which is why, if you will notice, there have been 13 (or more?) publications of the bible, the latest one, being "The King James Version"
Also, anyone notice how History, Politics, and Religion walk hand in hand with each other?
From the Knights Templars, to The Crusades, The Holy Grail, to King Arthur and his Knights, which I believe to be not as much a story as it seems, but more of History...
That's all I will say for now.. I will just give you a website with all the books by Roger Lancelyn Green, the author of 'King Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table'..
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Re: What if religion is a fabrication?
I also wanted to add another of my favorite quotes (continued from the other thread)..
"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him." - Voltaire
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I am sentient number six, I stand in line
I am the prototype of a benign convenience for mankind
Superior is digital, human flesh so trivial
I hate that I can’t see the one that made me
I am the new awakening of different eyes
My children you are my army
They are what we can never see and still despise
And their sky cries Mary - Nevermore
Re: What if religion is a fabrication?
My favourite question...
If god is almighty, can he create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?
If he could, he ain't almighty now is he? And if he couldn't, then that also shows that there is a limit to his powers...
Another thought, I find it absolutely absurd yet hilarious that the most powerful driving force that drives mankind to war is religion, yet it is religion that's supposed to bind us as one...
Just goes to show you mankind's inherent flaws...
There is no fate nor faith that can be more powerful than mankind's own desire for despair...
Re: What if religion is a fabrication?
While mankind is, as you put it, 'flawed', the potential that we have is also our last bet to actually get through our own stupidity. As for the whole religion thing, there is no denying the fact that there is a side to our world that exists which cannot be proven, as I had stated in my earlier post. What it means is that by believing in it, it exists.
Makes you wonder how powerful science has on reality. In times past, before technology and advancement had sunk its claws into our psyche, we believed in a world full of magic and wonder. However, such fantasies could not hope to truly exist without someone scientifically proving it to be a fabrication. It's already begun to question some of the more wondrous events in religious texts. I'm just waiting for the war between science and religion, for that would not only decide the reality in which we live in, but also might fundamentally destroy all that we know.
PCD
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Re: What if religion is a fabrication?
Now, now.. not to bash anyone's belief in God.. haha
It occured to me the other day, if there is a God, then why do we have the power to decide..
PCD, about the song, it's actually about machines learning to feel, hate, and rebel.. it's really a song written from a 'robot's' P.O.V.
Also, right now, I still don't know if I believe in magic, but maybe magic has something to do with alchemy?.. which is partly chemistry.. correct me if I'm wrong, it's just my theory on the subject.
Re: What if religion is a fabrication?
God was the only 'Being' in existence that had free will, before mankind... Even the angels were subservient to His will... He should've seen what was to come when he gave us that same power he had... Yeah, in a way, we all carry a spark of the Almighty's divine spark within us... Unfortunately, he never thought of giving us his knowledge as well to guide that will...
I once again stand by the fact that mankind is inherently flawed... Of course, that's my opinion on the matter...
Re: What if religion is a fabrication?
Well, God can't be perfect now can he? Look at the world the way it is today, it's all messed up..Ain't it? So if this was the pinnacle of his powers, then by no means is he perfect...However, what if it was within his plan that things were to fall apart? We cannot presume to understand that which is beyond definition or understanding...
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Re: What if religion is a fabrication?
Ever thought of God, religion, all that stuff is a story made by humans to explain things that they don't understand? Or maybe that they used it to control others? Sure, you might not follow a man, but if that man speaks for the One above, you'd be more willing...I dunnoz ler, now you making me think...
Re: What if religion is a fabrication?
It is always good to think, to question the ways of our lives. Only through our gift to question the way things are have we been able to adapt and change.
PCD
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Unfortunately, when you think about it, we also have this bad tendency to conform when we should break free. The Inquisition of the Dark Ages is one of the best examples I could think of. Everyone followed the church blindly, decimating an entire way of life, destroying countless lives, in the name of 'God'. They were fools wo had no idea what they were doing. Like it or not, we're not much better today either.
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Re: What if religion is a fabrication?
I for one personally believe in religion. I'm Christian myself, and I cannot believe that it's all made up. While I do not question our rights to scrutinize, I think that religion is self explanatory. PCD, you said we put our faith in the one thing that doesn't need it, which is science. Well, I put mine in religion, for it guides us all, whether we like it or not. Yes, some of the biggest wars were started because of religion. Isn't that proof of its power over us?
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Reasons not to be a devout Christian
# You're not allowed to have sex before marriage
# That "no premarital sex" thing makes it difficult to empathize with those who get STD's, pregnancy out of wedlock, etc.
# You're a sinner (regardless of whether you ever did anything or not)
# Nietzsche declared your God dead.
# You can't rejoice that Nietzche is dead, since he probably wasn't saved.
# Witchcraft is the devils work, thus by association so is Harry Potter, so you're not allowed to read it.
# You have to love people you can't have sex with.
# Can't watch NFL pregame shows
# If married, you may not have sex three hours before Sunday service... with a member of the same sex.
# The big questions in life, such as Why are we here? and What happens when we die? are all answered, which takes a bit of the mystery out of existence.
# The realization that many of your friends, family members, and colleagues are headed for Hell can be kind of a downer.
# Being associated with wackos who blow up abortion clinics and hold up "God hates fags" signs, just because they call themselves Christians.
# Constantly having the Crusades thrown in your face.
# Annoyance at all the people using your Lord's name to swear. Why can't we hear more "Buddha Damnit!" and "Mo H. Ammed!" and the ever-popular, run-together, "Ohmyvishnu!"?
# You have to be a huge lightweight to even get buzzed at Communion
# Real men don't believe in fairy tales.
Reasons not to be a devout Muslim
# Heaven consists of 70 eternal virgins, which means an eternity of inexperience and "Ouch, that hurts! Don't stick that there!"
# You're not allowed to eat sausages
# You're not allowed to drink alcohol
# You're not allowed to have sex before marriage
# People will always try to steal your oil
# You're always on your knees with a bunch of guys...
Catholicism
A marginally popular form of art in the Western World (second only to Democracy), Catholicism was created by Pope Cletus I in the year one-niner C.B. in order to prevent fun so that his penguind would not become flustered and fail to lay eggs. Catholicism is a show based almost entirely on blaming the problems of the world on oneself, in order to explain the lack of intervention from a greater power. Secondarily, the level of ones faith in a "Supreme" being based on the size of your hat. Catholics believe that God has a really, really big fucking hat. Some saythat the world was originaly intended to be that very hat but when God created the beasts of the earth he forgot to plug their assholes and they shat all over it, rendering it unwearable.
Catholics, a sect of Christianity, believe that the world was in fact built by a god named God in six days, thus setting a high standard for all to follow. Catholicism is currently ruled by a giant space spider, or Pope Benedict XVI, whichever.
Additionally, Catholics believe in the Christian philosophy that Jesus Christ was in fact the son of God (and the Virgin Mary, via the immaculate misconception), however Catholics believe that Jesus was also living a double life since he and John the Baptist were never seen in the same room together, and that one day, Jesus will return to Earth with jetpacks and party balloons for all believers, and miniature American flags and lumps of coal for the unfaithful masses, which is expected to be comprised primarily of purple people. Jesus will then welcome all the believers into heaven while he destroys planet Earth with his laser eyes and ability to transform into both a tank and an airplane. Jesus is believed to be the first triple changer, as demonstrated by the Catholic principle of Trinity, i.e., that god has three parts, the Father, the Sun, and the the Guilt. Catholics often sybolise this with a gesture known as "The Shocker". This basic tenet of the Catholic church was obviously borrowed from FSMism
Also, it is believed that the Catholics are, and have been for many years, in bed with the dairy industry. Evidence includes the fact that Pope Benedict XVI was a member of the Hitler Youth, an organization dedicated to providing free ice cream cones for young fascists on their birthdays.
Dogma
The Catholic Dogma is considered antiquated and foolish by some heathens. For instance, a passage in the Papal Coloring book claims that the female orgasm is simply Christ's blood after the process of transubstantiation. Clearly, this is false, because females don't even have penises.
Money
The Catholic Church is widely believed to have lots and lots of money - as evinced by their ability to buy ever more huge and spectacular hats in the name of worship. In fact, it is often rumoured that York Minster, a cathedral in the North of England, was built precisely for the purpose of concealing a vast treacle mining opperation which funds their heavy hat requirements.
Pope
'The Pope' is the overlord and master of The V.A.T, the largest form of tax on Earth. In the late 1920s he used the awesome power of V.A.T. City, which sports a high 70% tax (spent primarily on silencing outraged shopkeepers) to write his grocery list on the sun. However, this caused a chain reaction, the result of which is that the sun will become a volleyball in 2037 as opposed to millions or billions of years from now. The Pope fears only one thing, and that is a collision with Anti-Pope.
In 1984 The Pope decreed the Four Neon Virtues. (The four neon virtues were declared by the pope in 1984 as part as his plan for world domination.
* A love of everything 80's.
* Ownership of a Casio keyboard.
* A love of cocaine
* A love of 80's super group Wham.
Strangely enough, the cult group Fark who is opposed to the Pope and Oprah have adopted the Four Neon Virtues.)
The Pope shows no remorse, because he is also the immortal love child of King Kong and Elvis. The Pope is over 10 feet tall. He can inhale the vacuum of space with no problem, and has done so on several occasions, although his mom did not approve. His laser beam eyes can puncture a man's heart from 25 meters and a woman's from 50. His hands are fully interchangeable with any weaponry he comes across. He is cold to the touch.
Do not piss this man off. You will regret it. If you do upset him, he will excommunicate you. This is quite possibly the worst thing that can happen to a person. Ever. Seriously.
The Pope requires that everyone be bored once per week, in his honour, on the last day of the week. This is usually achieved using a medieval "mild" torture device entitled Church. Church (male), has the capability to bore anyone within 30 seconds of conversation, and cause suicide within 60. Anyone failing to receive at least 40 seconds of Chruch per week, will be archived, as will anyone convinced that Monday is not the start of the week. Church is really a clone of the Pope from an alternate reality.
The Future of the Papacy
The Pope lives on a planet for as long as possible, stealing away the most vital resources. It combined the DNA it found here with its own, and gave birth to those creatures up on Death Peak. Eventually the young must migrate to other planets to repeat the cycle.
There is a list on the wall inside The Vatican that has all the future popes' names. These names include: Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton, Mel Ptacek, Alf, Mark Hamill and That Guy Who Played Rudy and Samwise. This list is the subject of a copyright dispute with Saint Malachy.
Infallibility
The Pope is widely held to be infallible. This caused a minor schism in the church when, in 1307, he stated "I am not the Pope." Approximately 3,000,021 people have an active wish to do the same thing, that is, to not be the Pope. 2,897,301 of them would first inform a Cardinal that he was, in fact a superhuman. We all love the pope very much, he is our ROCK.
There was also a considerable amount of doubt as to the Pope's papacy when, after having asked what those "horrible orange creatures" were, he boldly stated that he hated them. The unfortunate grunkalunkas never recovered the trauma of papal scorn.
Other Pope superpowers are ubiquity, telepathy, inflammability and rockabillity.
==The sacred ceremony of La Bella Notte== It is also believed that the Pope reproduces every 2 years asexually in a special ceremony known as "La Bella Notte" (The Beautiful Night), in which a foetus-like entity hatches and bursts violently from a special pouch deep within the Pope's abdomen, and then is carefully placed by cardinals in a customised hyperbaric chamber deep within a metal can entitled the Vatican, to be rasied on a diet of heathen blood.
It is only after full maturity of the foetus has occured that it has gained the complete physical similarity of the Parent Pope. The Vatican is then opened using a Holy can opener. It is then that the Child Pope is permitted to roam the corridors of VAT City for a single night in a blood-thirsty lust to hunt down and consume the entrails of the Parent Pope in order to seize power of VAT City (a ceremony known as "La Notte Sanguinante", a.k.a The Bloody Night), and rule for 2 years until the process is repeated again, whereupon the current Pope is once again devoured by its own child.
The Sausageness of the Papacy
Famous conspiracy theorist Tanstaafl theorises that there is no Pope, and hasn't been since 1987, when aliens, working with the Illuminati and the trilateral bildenbergers, replaced the Pope with a large smoked sausage with hands (to wave to the crowds). To date, this theory is accepted only by Rocket Scientists from the Nebraska area and all Canadians.
The Taxidermy theory
The well-known theologian Thomas Aquinas has an alternate theory about the current pope; namely, that he died some fifteen years ago and has been stuffed by a Bulgarian taxidermist. Although this theory gained widespread acceptance during the later years of the John Paul 2.0 papacy, particularly with the illnesses he had experienced, the speculation ended completely with John Paul 2.0's funeral and burial in 2005.
Pope John Paul v2.0
It is also conjectured that the Pope "sorta died" in 1999 and has become the victim of a plot by Microsoft to rule the world. Rumours spread further after someone heard the mention of 'Pope XP ME Special Edition SP2'. This was a major surprise as the second choice of name after Pope John Paul 2.0 was Pope George Ringo for many years.
However, the entire "JPXPMESESP2" project was scrapped after a leak revealed Apple's plans for the iPope, iPope mini, Shuffle and Photo. Microsoft have now begun work on the V(atican)-Box to follow up the unsuccessful X(cruciatingly-crap)-Box. Meanwhile Sony has begun work on the Ratzinger mp3 player to compete with the iPope at a lower price, at only one arm, HALF a leg and a sperm donation.
Continuity of the Papacy
Upon the Pope's death, his minions gather to pay their respects. After a suitable period of mourning and respect, a huge funeral pyre is kindled and the Faithful dance around the fire in a ritual known as The Stations of the Cross. When the fire dies to smoking embers, a new Pope rises from the ashes of the old.
The JP 2.0 Pope was ritually devoured by Benedict XVI in the year 2005. All their tissues were assimilated by the new Pope to create new defensive organs and a copulative appendix that will allow him to lay eggs. The swiss guard is currently taking care of the spawns.
Steroids
In the 1970s the Pope started to sell his blood which is pure Human Growth Hormones to Pro golfers. The Thunderbirds were employed as door-to-door salesmen, selling the Pope's blood. In the late 1980s, a drug turf-war with the smurfs resulted in a near genocide of the smurfian people.
The Popemobile
The official Papal vehicle is an infallible heavily modified '93 Suburban, acquired by the Pope from Frankistan in the 1327 Treaty of Worms. In the case of an emergency, the Popemobile is capable of transforming into a TIE Fighter.
The Pope's affair with Grace Kelly
Pope JP II had Vatican hit men knock off Prince Ranier on the day after his death so that he could never be prosecuted for the job. He'd been pissed at the Prince for the past 40 years ever since Grace Kelly found her way into the Pope's bedroom that one fateful night in Rome when the Pope had to take a room the at Ritz-Carlton because a toilet backed up for 3 days and flooded the Pope's bedroom at the Vatican. Grace had gotten a little tipsy in the bar and accidentally stumbled into the Pope's room on the 2nd floor (her room was directly above on the 3rd floor). Nobody really knows what happened during the 2 hours that Grace was missing, but she never missed Mass for the next 20 years and the Pope was known to possess an extensive collection of Grace Kelly films that he only watched very late at night by himself. (He even had several of them over-dubbed in Polish.) The Pope never visited Monaco in his entire life and eventually had Prince Ranier excommunicated from the church on a minor technicality involving a conflict between bingo night at one of the parish churches and a large-purse blackout bingo tournament at one of the Prince's casinos.
Supposedly, when Grace Kelly died at the the scene of her car accident, she had scratched in the dust at the side of the road a heart with a cross in it along with with letters "JP II fucked my sorry ass".
The Pope Today
Currently, after the "death" of JP II, the spirit of the Pope has taken residence in a caucasian pineapple Robot known as Pope Ted. While jerusalem has eaten meat since his appointment as Ruler of the Vatican, he has taken on the title of "The Dread Pope".
The Dread Pope has already made many decrees for the improvement of the universe, the first replacing the outdated and now meaningless, "Amen" with the far more appropriate, and far more tennis-like "bong".
Although the rightful ruler of his pants, the Pope's inherently gay nature has forced the "powers that be" to install a meat-sock Pope until the universe is ready to eat the almighty Dread Pope. As the true Pope, Trevor is not without devout friends and followers. In the True Vatican the pope is guarded by his Mushrooms: The Omnipotent Seven, Erik, the robot Viking, a host of Magicians, and moofoo.
Discography
Although known more for being a bringer of destruction, the pope has a cult-like following and has recorded some albums over the years. Although nothing more than rants on how he'd like to rule the universe, the albums still sold moderately well. (If he had toured to support the albums he would have achieved his goals of preventing anal leakage and ruling all way before now.)
* In Nomine (1134)
* Hey, Hey, It's the Pope! (1962)
* The Pope... in a Blue Mood (1964)
* Sgt. Vatican's Only March Cub Band (1966)
* Live!: From St. Smurfs Basilica in the Land Far Far Away (Mass for the recently deceased) (1975)
* Cocaine on the membrane and other true stories from the Pope (Comedy album) 1979
* Why I let my priests fuck your sons (screamed word) 1979
* An Evening with The Pope (1981)
* Eternal Salvation (Is Just a Heartbeat Away) (1987)
* The Sausage Polka and other Pork-Related Polka tunes (198
* Whiskey In the Pope: A tribute to Thin Lizzy (1997)
* The Eternal Soul Sessions (1999)
* Popein' Ain't Easy (Spoken Word) (2005)
* The Pope, Live From Vatican Square (2005)
* The Pope, The Lost Years 1134 - 1962 (2005)
* Movie Soundtrack from The Pope vs. The Predator (2000)
* Movie Soundtrack from Viva La Pope (2001)
* Movie Soundtrack from Pope on a Hot Tin Roof (2002)
* I gots a big fuckin' hat, what you got sucka'? (2003)
* The Pope Smokes Dope (1995)
* Ministry of Morality Ibiza '05 Hard Trance Beats (2005)
Allah AckbarAllah Ackbar is an Admiral in the Rebel Alliance. A member of the Mon Calamari species, he is a favourite of Star Wars fans, to the point that in many nations around the world, especially those in the Middle East, North Africa and parts of South East Asia, he is revered as a God.
History
His role as a God began five years after the Battle of Yavin, (or 1982 in Earth standard years), when a small band of devoted followers rode across the middle east, conquering the old governments with their superb horsemen and Mon Calamari cruisers. The religion took hold across the world, spreading relatively peacefully eastwards and westwards, until the present day. It is believed there are around 1.2 billion Calamarians across the globe, as of 2005.
Beliefs
The beliefs of Calamarians differ greatly from person to person, but most believers follow the sacred tenet that everything is a trap. This comes from a passage in the Calamarians Holy Book, the novelisation of Return of the Jedi, where it is written "and lo, Ackbar saw that the Death Star was still functioning, and that the general known as Solo had not brought the shield down, and with some despair he proclaimed to his loyal followers, 'It is a trap'." Subsequently, Calamarians are a very paranoid group of people.
Practices
Calamarians have a diverse number of practices, mostly involving swimming. They take great care in looking after squid, believing them to be a sacred creature. Fridays are their holy days, when, after hearing the holy song (known as The Imperial March) played at dusk, they enter their sacred cruisers and pray that they will "last long against those Star Destroyers".
Split
There is, however, a growing split between Calamarians over the true creator of the Holy Book. Many believe it to be George Lucas, while a smaller, but rapidly expanding number believe it to have been CZ-3, who appears in the first installment, called simply "The Star Wars". One side maintains that CZ-3 was a minor, mostly fictitious character; the other maintains that George Lucas is too far fetched to have existed in real life, and was probably a metaphor used to describe the decline in Hollywood's production values. Both sides, however, believe, often to the point of death, that they are correct.
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