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XSha Tell 
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(9/17/01 13:11)
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The Taliban
A couple of years ago someone I met on AOL directed me to this site.

I knew it would come in handy.

rawasongs.fancymarketing.net/women.html

XSha Tell 
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(9/17/01 13:17)
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Re: The Taliban
An example:

"The ministry of vice and virtue is the most misogynist department in the whole world"


News Network International, September 13, 1999


ISLAMABAD (NNI): The UN Special Rapporteur for Violence against Women Radhika Coomaraswami Sunday lashed out at the ruling Taliban for systematic violation of the human rights of women.

"We found widespread systematic violation of the human rights of women in the Taliban areas of Afghanistan," Coomaraswami told a news conference on return from a 4-day visit to Afghanistan.

She said public beating of women, by a leather cricket bat continues in Afghanistan, which is mainly for the violations of edicts by the department of virtue and vice. The UN rapporteur urged the Taliban authorities to respect international conventions on human rights and dismantle Ministry for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice.

"We found violations in the areas of physical security, the right to education the right to health the right to employment of movement freedom of association, protection of the rights of women, protection of the family and trafficking and prostitution," she said. Public lashing of women on Fridays for violations of the Hadood Ordinance also continue, she said.

She said because of war and poverty many of the women cannot work, level of begging by women is extremely high and "we did find that prostitution does exist in Kabul and that many people told us that it was on the increase".

Coomarswami said the freedom of movement of women is extremely restricted. "There are allegedly no passports for women in Afghanistan. But we still have not confirmed it. There seems to be a fact that women cannot go out without a Mahram".

The Taliban's ministry of vice and virtue has authored edicts that ban women from working, going to school, forces them to wear the all-econompassing burqa, ordered people to paint their first floor windows black so passers by could not see women inside.

Sje said the ministry issued edicts saying women should travel outside their home only when accompanied by a close male relative. She said violators are publicly beaten, sometimes with a car antennae ripped off the nearest vehicle.

"The ministry of vice and virtue is the most misogynist department in the whole world their edicts are quite unacceptable," Coomaraswamy said. She interviewed scores of Afghan women, both in Afghanistan and - - neighboring Pakistan, where tens of thousands live as refugees.

She said discrimination against women exists throughout the world but in Afghanistan it is the official policy of the Taliban. The ruling militia has imposed their own interpretation of Islamic laws.

She said also visited the areas controlled by the opposition United Front led by Burhanuddin Rabbani adding she was shown girls school and was told of the opposition's support for women.

However, she said "for the record" Rabbani's government ruled Afghanistan from 1992 until 1996 when bitter factional fighting destroyed 70 percent of the city and "some of the worst violence against women in a war" was committed.

She said women's begging is on the increase in capital Kabul adding that depression among women is rampant. There were reports of trafficking in women, forced marriages and prostitution. She said women were separated from their husbands and relocated to camps from the Shomali Plains. There also were reports of sexual assaults, which should be investigated.

She said that she has never seen the people's suffering as much as in Afghanistan. "The situation looks very bleak in terms of poverty, in terms of war, in terms of the rights of women."



Jeesh where have I read that before, albiet fiction.

Edited by: XSha Tell  at: 9/17/01 2:27:02 pm
XSha Tell 
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(12/18/01 7:49)
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The Taliban
From the infamous:
"Any free woman who willingly face-strips herself before the eyes of men who are not her personal servants or close relatives is immediately castigated by Gorean society as behaving in a "sluttish" fashion. Upon Gor, such "sluts" are immediately collared for the use and service of males".


www.silkandsteel.com/wgor...troduction

Veil and robes of concealment/Burka, six of one...

XSha Tell 
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(1/20/02 17:46)
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Prison camp pictures spark protests
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1771000/1771687.stm

The US Government has released photographs of the Taleban and al-Qaeda suspects held at its prison camp in Cuba which show them being subjected to sensory deprivation.
The prisoners are shown kneeling down, wearing goggles, ear muffs, surgical masks and heavy gloves.

The chief medical officer of the human rights group, Amnesty International, Jim West, said the photographs were reminiscent of torture methods used in eastern Europe in the 1970s.

"There is no obvious explanation of these measures except an attempt to degrade the man," he told the newspaper.

Another human rights group said that not being able to see, hear, smell or touch would leave the prisoners feeling disorientated and suffering from hallucinations.

Deputy Prime Minister John Manley of Canada urged the US to treat the detainees "in accordance with humane norms and international law".

And in Britain, the chairwoman of Parliament's Human Rights Committee, Ann Clwyd, warned against "playing with human rights".




I thought "we" were bombing the hell out of Afghanistan because of that governments inability and unwillingness to conform to international standards and humane norms of law and human rights.

Edited by: XSha Tell  at: 1/20/02 5:52:42 pm
XSha Tell 
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(1/20/02 20:43)
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The Taleban?
Or maybe not.

cbsnews.cbs.com/now/story...2,00.shtml

www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/vi...$@$Preview

Female Pilot Sues Over Muslim Garb:
Correspondent Lesley Stahl interviews the female fighter pilot who is suing to get the Pentagon to change its rules on what women military personnel can wear when they go off base in Saudi Arabia. Watch 60 Minutes Sunday at 7 PM ET/PT.


U.S. Fighter Pilot Objects To Wearing Muslim Clothes:

“I can fly a single-seat aircraft in enemy territory, but I can’t drive a vehicle?"
Air Force Lt. Col. Martha McSally

The nation’s highest-ranking female fighter pilot is suing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld over a Muslim garment that has become standard U.S. government issue and mandatory off-base dress for military women in Saudi Arabia.

McSally, one of the few women on track to make general in the armed forces, says the dress code requires female military personnel to dress while off the base in “host nation attire” - a traditional Muslim head-to-toe garment called an abaya. This is unconstitutional, she says, because military men are not required to dress like local men.

This is where we separate our men from our women and we demean and humiliate just them,” she tells Stahl.

While we watch women and men like Colonel McSally fight in Afghanistan, while we watch women shed their Burkas, we force our own women to degrade themselves.

Now we should ask, just whom is the real abuser of human rights?

We claim the Taleban and other radical muslims as heretical, yet we do so all the while ourselves being hypocritical.

Which is worse.

XSha Tell 
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(1/21/02 1:23)
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Camp X-Ray could split allies
www.thetimes.co.uk/articl...35,00.html

THE treatment of al-Qaeda suspects at Camp X-Ray in Cuba was threatening last night to provoke the first split between America and Britain since the start of the war against terrorism.
Jack Straw demanded a guarantee of humane treatment for the prisoners in the face of growing alarm from MPs and senior clergy over the way the suspects were being handled.
In a sign of the breakdown of Britain’s “shoulder-to-shoulder” stance with the US over Afghanistan, the Foreign Secretary had earlier said that he was “seeking information” about the circumstances of photographs published at the weekend showing the prisoners bound, gagged and blindfolded. He said: “The Government’s position is that prisoners — regardless of their technical status — should be treated humanely and in accordance with customary international law
The Right Rev Michael Turnbull, the Bishop of Durham, said: “There are indications that the treatment of the prisoners is less than the desired conditions. Some of these people are British subjects after all. If this was in Britain there would be an outcry.”

The Right Rev David Stancliffe, the Bishop of Salisbury, said: “Whatever their alleged crimes, there is no justification for dehumanising treatment.”

Tony Lloyd, Labour MP for Manchester Central and a former Foreign Office minister, said: “The treatment does seem to be way below the standards we would expect

Their remarks followed the disclosure that a front-runner to become Archbishop of Canterbury believes the military action in Afghanistan is “morally tainted”. The Most Rev Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Wales, is publishing a book this week which calls the campaign an embarrassment.

XSha Tell 
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(1/22/02 22:42)
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U.S. suspends Guantanamo transfers
www.msnbc.com/news/689029.asp?pne=msntv


Donald Rumsfeld has said the treatment is consistent with the Geneva Convention "for the most part."





Interesting to say the least. Now Rumsfeld claims that they are full, they being camp X-Ray but yesterday the camp was said able to hold thousands{2 000}.

This after the European Union added its voice Tuesday to demands from the Dutch and German governments, British legislators, Amnesty International and the International Committee of the Red Cross {and Canada, and a number of American citisens} that the detainees be given prisoner-of-war status, subject to the Geneva Conventions. The EU’s external relations commissioner, Chris Patten, said the West {read America} risked losing support in the fight against terrorism if it mistreated the prisoners.

Only a government truly run by idiots and the incompetent could anger their most closest allies like this.

Further the preferential treatment that J. Walker gets for simply being an American citisen is ludicrous.
Isn't he an alqaida/Taleban member?
Well of course he is. Shouldn't he be at camp X ray being held under those same inhumane Geneva convention broaching conditions{sic}?

Can you imagine what would happen had they been American prisoners treated that way?

It's the Geneva convention for cripes sake.
What government breaks such international law?
America that's whom.

Edited by: XSha Tell  at: 1/22/02 10:45:36 pm
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