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RAGEJL
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(2/7/03 12:10 pm)
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Taxes
Okay here's a situation I just went through...I'm 17 years old as of last September and I made a little over 10,500 last year with the Feds taking out a little over 900 dollars over the course of the year...fine and dandy since I'm supposed to get that back I wasn't to worried about it...then when I filled them it turns out I only get $260 back because I made too much...see I think there is some sort of a problem here, since one I cannot vote meaning I've had no control over the people that have made or could change these policies; second I am already taxed anytime I buy anything from gas to food and quite frankly that is being double taxed on my dollars...I can understand taxes on luxury items and such since no one needs a 500 ft. yacht, but should someone technically be charged for necessities even after they've already had taxes pulled from their income? The luxury point and determining what is a luxury and what isn't is too hard to determine equally since you more or less need a car in the midwest but in a big city it really isnt necessary, etc...but frankly I don't think the government should be able to put a limit on what I can make as a minor and then decide what they can keep of that to perform their duties and policies which I have no control over since I am a minor...if I could vote I really wouldn't have a problem with them keeping the $600 dollars or so but since I have no control on what they do I feel I am being robbed of money that I have earned and have no control over how it will be used...what are your thoughts and ideas concerning this...peace

-J. Asuka

Seldon11988
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(2/7/03 10:50 pm)
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Re: Taxes
By your statements, you seem to be implying one of the following:

1) People under 18 should be able to vote if they make money (or, a certain amount of money);

2) People under 18 should not be able to earn money in their own name (their parents or legal guardians would have to control it); or

3) People under 18 should not be taxable.


Problems with #1:

There must be some age limit for voting. I think that this would not be disputed. Additionally, I think that a suffrage system which is dependent upon income (as was the case in this country for it's first several decades) is both unconstitutional and not in line with our values.

Problems with #2:

I think that people under 18 do have property rights and this undermines that right (though not allowing minors to dispose of their property in any manner they choose is in line with the need for children to have guardians). Additionally, this would create a burden on parents in controlling their children's finances. Other laws, forbidding youths from working would, for obvious reasons, be senseless.

Problems with #3:

There are some people under 18 who make an awful lot of money. The Olsen twins have already made millions (if not tens of millions) of dollars and I still don't think they can vote. Additionally, children would really become tax shelters for the wealthy.


I think that taxing people who cannot vote for no reason other than age is fair. You still receive all the benefits of your tax money (education, roads, national defense, police, etc) and will have the right to vote shortly enough.

Do you have any suggestions for remedying the situation as you see it?


VAdm Robert Seldon, (Jacob)
Chief of Fleet Development

RAGEJL
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(2/7/03 11:26 pm)
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Re: Taxes
I know the situation is impossible to ammend it just angers me that I have no say in how the money is spent when it is taken from me and also if I had made even 2,000 dollars less I would have recieved more than 90% of that back...the policy as it stands allows one to recieve back everything as long as they dont make too much, but who's to say what is too much and the things I most directly benefit from are education, police, and roads; and those are primarily funded from sales tax or at least in my area, and there isn't anyway around those and I will not complain about those, but is it really fair that some people get all of what the government takes from them back and others dont all depending on how much they make...I believe the main reason they do give it back (up to a certain limit) is because the people do not have the right to vote and really have no controll on how the money is used, but why the limit...also in no way am I asking for a suffrage system based on personal income since that would completely undermine the liberties expressed within the constitution, but I do think I should get all the money they took from me back since I do not control how it is used and others who make less, even slightly less, get everything back (this is in reference to income tax only I agree with sales tax as it stands thats a standing and fair way to tax minors, since often minors dont spend all that much money on absolute necesities)...I know I sound Republican, but hey thats me...peace

-J. Asuka

Seldon11988
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(2/8/03 12:59 pm)
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Re: Taxes
I would disagree that you "have no say in how the money is spent when it is taken."

You are constitutionally guaranteed (via the First Amendment) "the freedom of speech, [and] of the press; [and] the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." These rights are given to "the people" as opposed to "registered voters" so you are unquestionably entitled to them.

Of course, I'm not arguing that the right to vote is unimportant in controlling the government but there are other means available for exercising influence over such representatives. Additionally, there are duties such as registering the draft and jury duty (which in an increasing number of states, Maryland included, is not strictly tied to voter registration roles) which you are not required to do.

Depending on when your birthday falls and Missouri law, you may already be able to register. In Maryland, one can register to vote just so long as you will be 18 by the next general election. So, I registered on January 4th, 1900 (according to my Y2K'ed registration card -- I subsequently received another) and voted in the 2000 primaries while I was still 17. I'm sure that a voter registration card would have all the information on whether or not this is legal under MO law as well.

Anyway, I think this is a situation for which there is no perfect solution. (Who doubts that there are some 16 year olds who would more responsibly cast a ballot than some 40 year olds?) But your interest in the matter encourages me for the future of the Republic.


VAdm Robert Seldon, (Jacob)
Chief of Fleet Development

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