boromir Field Marshall
Posts: 343
(2/13/06 6:03 am) Reply
TGW game 270
This game opened with AH rolling all techs (yielding nothing) and failing ot conquer Serbia (leaving a car and ftr defending). AH has an undersized army due to both the Serbia loss and lack of purchased units (just 4inf).
to make matters worse Russia aquired Romania via diplomacy and so was able to rail stuff into Serbia on R1...
Imp's Right Hand
Posts: 1081
(2/14/06 3:21 pm) Reply
Re: TGW game 270
very ugly
The question is, even if Austria were to gain each of 4 techs, what would they have gained so early in the game anyhow? Even with a victory in Serbia, Austria would still be thin on the ground.
Stimp
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
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Fredcaillou Registered Member
Posts: 156
(2/21/06 3:28 pm) Reply
Re-start
Well Peter was gracious enough to let us re-start this game from the start. In our first match-up, the Allies creamed the Central powers in just 2 turns.
And Stimp, this time AH did not spend anything on Tech dev. and actually was able to shoot down the Serbian ftr while suffering no losses, but..... did not manage to take Serbia!!!!! So, of course, I was glad to follow your recommendations to be more conservative in my playing . After R1, Serbia is a weak position and Hungary should be able to take it back on AH2. But I suspect that Russia will probably take it back on R2 also with strong forces stacked in Romania.
I think this will make for a very entertaining game.
Edited by: Fredcaillou at: 2/21/06 3:30 pm
boromir Field Marshall
Posts: 345
(2/21/06 4:05 pm) Reply
Re: Re-start
let us note that AH also diverted the 2 INf in Bosnia to amphibious operations. That alone drops the Serbia battle of more like 50-60% chance of success.
Anywya, Russia had lots of success against Austria and the Turkish navy, but faltered badly against Prussia - failiing to clear the western portion, and taking very heavy losses conquering Danzig...
Imp's Right Hand
Posts: 1085
(2/21/06 4:31 pm) Reply
Re: Re-start
Quote:So, of course, I was glad to follow your recommendations to be more conservative in my playing
Sorry Denis, I didn't mean to critique your playing. I hope I did not offend. My suggestions were simply directed at the overall discussion topic and the particular instance in question.
The battle for Serbia is by no means a gimme to the the Austrians. As pointed out, the battle is roughly a 65-75% chance of victory for the Austrians. That said, removing any of the available forces to another battle greatly hinders those efforts. In contrast, as mentioned in the discussion, adding anything to the the Austrians effort to the battle also skews the battle in their favor too much in my opinion.
Stimp
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
- Thomas Jefferson
"The more is given, the less people will work for themselves, and the less they work, the more their poverty will increase."
- Leo Tolstoi (1892)
Fredcaillou Registered Member
Posts: 157
(2/22/06 2:30 pm) Reply
Strategy
No way Stimp did I feel critizised in my gaming. It is not your style, and neither my way of tacking constructive critizisme. I just don't feel, personnaly, that it should be so easy to loose Serbia (this is my fourth time that I loose Serbia). But then again, by playing (by the book sort of speak) I do have the ability or leisure to retake Serbia later on in the game. Your probably right about Serbia's initial set up.
Imp's Right Hand
Posts: 1086
(2/22/06 4:30 pm) Reply
Re: Strategy
Quote:No way Stimp did I feel critizised in my gaming. It is not your style, and neither my way of tacking constructive critizisme. I just don't feel, personnaly, that it should be so easy to loose Serbia (this is my fourth time that I loose Serbia). But then again, by playing (by the book sort of speak) I do have the ability or leisure to retake Serbia later on in the game. Your probably right about Serbia's initial set up.
It doesn't hurt to bring up the question. The discussion is good. Especially since, early in the game development, the Austrian/Serbian battle was rather one-sided as you proffer it to be. So it was altered to its current state. Since I come from a point of experience in the previous set up, my feelings certainly reflect that knowledge whereas yours do not. This can jade either one of us. So to discuss it is in good form.
That said, the battle was designed to be very successful for Austrian, on average, if they brought everything to bear on Serbia, yet not let Austria overwhelm Serbia without loss. Previously, taking Serbia with the lost of only 1-3 AH infantry was rather the norm. This doesn't sound so bad, but AH also had more units in the battle, so their relative loss was much less. Now the battle is such that the Austrian player had better assume they'll lose all of their attacking infantry, but should maintain their vital offensive cars and artillery. Of course, this changes if the AH diplomats can coax additional support in the region to bring to bear on Serbia.
I dug up an interesting story about a Serbian general who gave the Austrians fits. Also note, that the Austrian Serbian battle lasted so long that German forces were waging war in Serbia as well. Stepa Stepanovic was the General for Serbia's Second Army and is reknown for having achieved the first Allied victory of the war. It is an interesting read. HOpe you enjoy.
Stimp
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
- Thomas Jefferson
"The more is given, the less people will work for themselves, and the less they work, the more their poverty will increase."
- Leo Tolstoi (1892)
. After R1, Serbia is a weak position and Hungary should be able to take it back on AH2. But I suspect that Russia will probably take it back on R2 also with strong forces stacked in Romania.
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