Post Modernist literature
Here's a fairly succinct description of the attributes of 'Post Modernist' literature. (As much as anything 'Post Modernist' can ever be called succinct). Taken from source; www.brocku.ca/english/courses/2F55/post-mod-attrib.html
I'd like to get a discussion going on;
1) Does post modernist literature actually exist (beyond a simple convenient term)?
2) Has it been good/bad for literature in general?
3) Where are the stylistic pointers heading towards now? (and yep I have heard of such a thing as post-post-modernist ).
Your thoughts...
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Quote: 'Postmodernism' is a broad range of
1) responses to modernism, especially refusals of some of its totalizing premises and effects, and of its implicit or explicit distinction between 'high' culture and commonly lived life,
2) responses to such things as a world lived under nuclear threat and threat to the geosphere, to a world of faster communication, mass mediated reality, greater diversity of cultures and mores and a consequent pluralism,
3) acknowledgments of and in some senses struggles against a world in which, under a spreading technological capitalism, all things are are commodified and fetishized (made the object of desire), and in which genuine experience has been replaced by simulation and spectacle,
4) resultant senses of fragmentation, of discontinuity, of reality as a pastiche rather than as a weave,
5) reconceptualizations of society, history and the self as cultural constructs, hence as rhetorical constructs.
There are 'postmodernisms' even more than there were 'modernisms', and not all postmodernism partakes of all of the following attributes:
a reaction to, refusal and diffusion of, the elements of modernist thought which are totalizing: which suggest a master narrative or master code, i.e. an explanatory cohesion of experience; the result may be
1) a sense of discontinuity, of the world as a field of contesting explanations none of which can claim any authority,
2) parodies of all sorts of meta-narrative and master-code elements, including genre and literary form,
3) the challenging of borders and limits, including those of decency,
4) the exploration of the marginalized aspects of life and marginalized elements of society.
(The 'problem' with grand narratives is that they bring all of experience under one explanatory and one implicitly or explicitly regulative order, and hence are potentially (some would say, inevitably) totalitarian and repressive; the problem of trying to live without them is that without their explanatory frame there is no way in which acts can be validated (once one tries, one uncovers a hidden grand narrative) other than through the validation of pleasure or pain, some would say beauty or ugliness. It comes down to what one believes: is living without grand narratives an act of courage and freedom in the face of inevitable doubt and instability, or merely an opening of oneself to the worst forces of the libido and an abandonment of necessary principles?)
a sense that life is lived in a world with no transcendent warrant, nothing to guarantee or to underwrite our being as meaningful moral creatures. Life just is. We no longer look for a pattern. We live between the 1's and the 0's, in the interstices of meaning; we live on the bleak terrain of an endless uncreated happenstance universe. We may celebrate its specificity, its immediacy; or not. Postmodernism goes different directions here.
the writing of reflexive or meta-fiction: fiction which is in the first instance aware of itself as fiction and which may dramatize the false or constructed nature of fiction, on the one hand, or the inevitable fictionality of all experience, on the other.
a reaction to, refusal of, the totalizing of modernist form -- of the dominance in modernism of form and of the idea of the aesthetic, which concept created a 'special world' for art, cut off from the variety and everydayness of life (a negative judgment on this 'refusal' is that postmodernism simply aestheticizes everything, see the next point)
an attempt to integrate art and life -- the inclusion of popular forms, popular culture, everyday reality; Bakhtin's notion of 'carnival', of joyous, anti-authoritarian, riotous, carnal and liberatory celebration, makes sense in this context and adds a sense of energy and freedom to some post modern work
the notion of carnival, above, is taken to the limit in the idea of transgression, the idea that to live and think beyond the structures of capitalist ideology and of totalizing concepts one must deliberately violate what appear to be standards of sense and decency but are (if the truth were known) methods of social and imaginative control. A more benign conception than transgression is the concept of the paralogical: a revelation of the non-rational immediacy of life (considered thus to be implicitly revolutionary, liberating); as with ideas such as carnival and transgression, the paralogical gives access to the energy of the world, and allows us to experience outside of the strictures of the grand narratives which form our usual sense of our reality.
the use of paradox, of undercutting, of radical shifts, in order to undercut any legitimization of reality, subject, ontological ground
a refusal of seriousness or an undercutting of or problematizing of seriousness -- achieved through such things as the above-mentioned notion of carnival, of the turning upside-down of everything, and through the use of parody, play, black humour and wit; this refusal and these methods of undercutting seriousness is associated as well with fragmentation, as traditional notions of narrative coherence are challenged, undone. The 'problem' with seriousness is that is has no room for the disruptions necessary to expose the oppressions and repressions of master narratives, in fact seriousness tends almost inevitably to reinforce them and hence the ideologies they support; to attack seriousness does not mean, in this context, to abandon conviction or good intentions.
a crossing or dissolving of borders -- between fiction and non-fiction, between literary genres, between high and low culture
a sense that the world is a world made up of rhetoric -- of language and cultural constructs and images and symbols, none of which have any necessary validity
a move away from perspectivism, from the located, unified 'subject' and the associated grounding of the authority of experience in the sovereign subject and it its the processes of perception and reflection
a fragmentation of the self (the unified, located subject), or a disappearance or flatness -- the self, or subject, is no longer a 'psychological' reality but henceforth a cultural construction, located rhetorically (in terms of the kinds of language used, the subject matter, the situation), differently configured in different situations
the dramatization to a world in which there are not depths, in which there is nothing 'under' appearances
a greater emphasis on the body, on the human as incarnate, as physical beings in a physical world. This is tied to postmodernism's distrust of rationalism and of the ideology of the Enlightenment. This emphasis on the physicality of our being leads in several directions, including
1) an emphasis on chance and contingency as fundamental conditions of our being and
2) a positing of aesthetics rather than rationalism as guide to truth, hence ultimately as the ground for ethics.
a rethinking of modernism's break with history. There are (at least) two directions in which this rethinking may go:
1) a greater awareness of history as a narrative, that is, a human construct; history is accessible to us, but only as text -- its documents are texts, its institutions are social texts. This does not mean that history did not happen; it means that what we know as history is known to us only through what is configured for our understandings by language, by narratives with their own shaping forces, by figures of speech.
2) an insistence of the incarnate and the contingent, human life as located, specific, grounded in the body and in circumstance.
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mdefrance Traveller in the arts
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(1/10/02 6:43 am) Reply
Re: Post Modernist literature
Hi Sanduleak . . .
I would be happy to chat with you about this genre . . . are there any writers in particular you wish to discuss? I am currently working on a paper on Nicole Brossard's "Mauve Desert". I love postmodernism and look forward to your response!
I followed the link in your profile to the portal page on Kathy Acker. I have only passing knowledge of Acker's work (having read only "Kathy goes to Haiti" as part of a Univ workshop, and "Pussy, king of Pirates." Her work isn't an 'easy' read - but who said literature should be.
I would rate Angela Carter as my favourite among 'feminist' writers that would fall under the 'post-modernist' umbrella. How would you compare her work to Acker's? I'd be interested to hear.
As far as feminist writers go, my favourite (in any genre) would be Toni Morrison, especially "Beloved" (a masterpiece IMO) and "Song of Solomon." I have yet to read "Paradise" (her most recent work) but it's definitely on my reading list.
As a further discussion; how would you compare writers from the feminist angle in Post Modernism to male writers in the same genre such as Brett Easton Ellis? Be interested to hear.
One of the strengths of post modernism - (and the whole raft of schools that emerged out of Deconstruction/Post Structuralism) is the breaking down of barriers between;
* traditional male and female roles in literature
* philosophies that hold to 'universal truths' as opposed to ambiguity
mdefrance Traveller in the arts
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(1/13/02 6:06 am) Reply
Experiencing Postmodernism
Thank you for your words of insight, Sanduleak. You are correct that Acker is not an easy read. Like most, if not all, Postmodernist texts, Acker's must be read from an entirely different perspective, and in an entirely different way. When I first began to explore this genre, I hated it passionately because my brain was far too conditioned to abandon its way of processing language. I was searching desperately for plot and plot resolution, for climax and chronology. Obviously I would never find these. Until I succumbed to this new reading method, one which requires EXPERIENCING the work and the abandonment of traditional analysis, I could never appreciate the genre.
Finally able to do this, I no longer bang my head against the wall in frustration and confusion. I know now that postmodern fiction explores the "whitespace" (I am borrowing this term from Brossard), the other, that domain in which traditional literature fears to tread. Acker, I think, revels in this whitespace, for her the whitespace is the body, the skin, surfaces. . . In her life she sought to explore any experience which would bring pain to the body. She worked out zealously to feel the muscles burn, the ache associated with trauma. Her work is highly masochistic; she must have ached as she wrote the words as we ache as readers of her text. What impresses me most about her writing is her ability to convey that pain-- she is the blood and guts of language and I admire that about her work. In terms of understanding, I confess I am not entirely there yet. I do know that she sought to revolutionalize language by writing the body, not in a sensual/erotic way, but by exposing the physical wounds which dwell on the body's surfaces. Her work in my mind is flesh and blood. I can write more indepth on her later. . . it is too early in the a.m. for me to get too theoretical.
Angela Carter. . . please make a recommendation for me and I will read her work, as I have not done so yet. What shoud I start with?
Toni Morrison is a genius. Her narrative is song. I have not read her work from a feminist approach, yet this is a good idea and a very feasible one. "Song of Solomon" and "The Bluest Eye" are my favorites. I read most of her work as an undergrad, when cultural studies was just emerging. . . so we were forced to look at her work in terms of the African American condition. Zora Neale Hurston is also immensely talented.
Regarding male/female differences among Postmodern writers. . . this is tricky but I will try to articulate my perspective as concisely and clearly as possible. In a nutshell, I think much of the work of this genre blurs gender borders, yet the writing itself tends to be distinctly gender influenced. It would I think, be very easy to determine whether or not a writer was male/female without knowing beforehand. It seems to me that the male writers examine larger social issues (DeLillo, Pynchon), women tend to examine themselves (Acker, Cha). . . a commonality among the two genders though is in the "structure" of their work, or should I say, lack thereof. What I love so much about this type of literature is the fact that I know everytime I seek to label or describe it, I am defying all that it stands for. What are your thoughts on this? It is hard to really come up with an answer to this without reading more postmodernist texts. . . and I suspect that once I have done so I will still remain perplexed and fascinated at once.
Re: Experiencing Postmodernism
Perhaps if Post Modernist literature has a cine qua non it is the process of 'blurring borders' as you mentioned. I'd also posit that this essence plays a large part in Pomo's essential break with/rebellion against Modernism; in that it emphatically rejects Modernism's core tenet of 'infinites and absolutes' regarding truth etc.
Regarding Angela Carter; a good intro would be her collection of stories "Burning Your Boats", then followed with any from; "The Bloody Chamber", "The Infernal Desire Machines of Doctor Hoffman" or "Nights at the Circus."
Some of these works have the surreal edge of a Dali canvas and take Post Modernist uncertainty and unease to an extreme. I wish you good (though not easy ) reading.
Regarding Toni Morrison. I added her into my last post as a discussion point as she is not generally described or read as a 'feminist' author. Because of her African-American heritage and subject matter (and I'd guess her socio-political position from her academic background in the 'Humanities') she tends to be read from an ethnic standpoint and from the view of cultural criticism. One aspect I admire about her work is how she begins from the standpoint of traditional gender roles ie; in "Beloved" and "Song of Solomon" but moves and explores several steps beyond cliche. This 'gentleness' of approach regarding gender issues perhaps makes her stand out less from a feminist viewpoint but ultimately perhaps ensures her of a more mainstream soapbox from which to expound her ideas. I'm not saying whether this is a good or bad thing, as I simply don't know the answer to that - just that Toni Morrison is a writer who is afraid of no one and it seems a perceptive choice of routes for her.
Incidently she released an interesting critical work on the subject of ethnic/cultural stereotypes in fiction entitled;
"Playing in the Dark; Whiteness and the Literary Imagination." Worth reading.
mdefrance Traveller in the arts
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(1/15/02 3:30 am) Reply
The Rhythm of Narrative
Thank you for your recommendations on Carter. I will try to obtain the collection of stories first.
Back to Toni Morrison, I think you are right about why people approach her work with such a specific perspective. There is so much to sink one's teeth into, though, that it is a shame people fail to broaden the scope of that perspective. I would be excited to see her depart from her traditional subject matter and try something totally different, just to see what emerges. You are right that she is not afraid. That is what makes her a great writer. How do you compare her to Alice Walker? I have only read "The Color Purple" but with that I was totally impressed. Walker's narrative is rhythmic as well, but does lack the beauty of Morrison's.
I really need to start posting later in the day instead of the morning . . . my brain is just mush!
Any other PM writers you wish to discuss/recommend?