Not high any more on a deal for Lowe
Not high any more on a deal for Lowe
BY DAVID LENNON
STAFF CORRESPONDENT
July 12, 2004
MIAMI -- The Mets' flirtation with Derek Lowe might be short-lived, a team official said yesterday, a day after the embattled Red Sox righthander rebounded against the Rangers.
Looking for another bargain, a la Richard Hidalgo, the Mets hoped Lowe would struggle again, prompting the frustrated Red Sox to make a deal. Instead, Lowe, who can be a free agent after the season, did not allow an earned run in seven innings.
With baseball's general managers flocking to Houston today for the All-Star break, trade conversations should heat up, and the Mets remain focused on the Pirates' Kris Benson as their top choice. Team officials believe they have the best fit with the Pirates, who like Ty Wigginton, and that is likely to be the trigger for the deal.
As for the Angels' Ramon Ortiz, who wants out of Anaheim, the Mets believe the asking price still is too steep.
In the days before the Hidalgo trade, general manager Jim Duquette said he was anxious to make a deal, and Hidalgo arrived soon after. With the Mets only two games behind the first-place Phillies at the break after yesterday's 5-2 loss to the Marlins, the club's decision-makers once again are thinking trade, though they probably won't secure another pitcher until after the second half begins Thursday. The non-waiver trade deadline is July 31.
"You can always use help, as long as it's help," Art Howe said. "We have a great group of guys and we have great chemistry here. But if we could get a shot in the arm, it definitely helps."
Floyd sits
The Mets began the season shorthanded and ended the first half in similar fashion, though it was by their own choosing. Howe decided to give Cliff Floyd and Jose Reyes the day off, and in Floyd's case, it had more to do with his futility against lefthanders than any worry about injuries.
Floyd is hitting .210 (13-for-62) with 23 strikeouts against lefthanders, and those numbers probably would not have improved against Dontrelle Willis. That left Floyd to stew over popping out with the bases full in a key situation Saturday night.
"You screw up, you get a blow," he said. "I'm past that stuff now. Leftfield did a great job, so it's a good job by the manager."
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(7/13/04 8:15 pm)
Re: Not high any more on a deal for Lowe
Personaly i dont see Lowe as a fix for us really. Yes, he's better then Ginter/Seo, but we'd have to give up too much for him to -possibly- help us. Its no guarentee. Benson too i dont want.. he's just be a 1 year thing..
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(7/14/04 12:36 pm)
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Unfortunately, Kev, there just isn't much else out there right now. And I still don't see Erickson - recent numbers notwithstanding - as the answer. Given the choice, I'd rather take a gamble on Lowe or Benson. Hopefully, Duq will come up with something better, but he'll almost have to be a magician to do so.
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(7/14/04 12:50 pm)
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I came up with a trade senario here...
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(7/14/04 1:09 pm)
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well, based on yahoo sports listing of mets probable starting pitchers for the upcoming 4 game series vs philly, scott erickson will be activated and start sunday. in order yahoo reports trachsel, seo, glavine and erickson.
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(7/14/04 3:18 pm)
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Oh joy...just what I've been hoping for, the appearance of Erickson. Can I just shoot myself now?
Kev - I saw your suggestions. Not bad, but then you're not actually calling the shots. I'd be shocked if the Mets front office actually came up with something that logical.
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(7/15/04 9:06 am)
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The Mets shouldn't be thinking of doing much of anything this yr, unless it's completely free of costing youth, and i mean ANY youth. Since you never know which prospect will pan out and which won't, it's stupid to give any of em up for a 1 yr rental when the team doesn't have a realistic shot anyway
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(7/15/04 10:30 am)
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Uh dun, have you looked at the division lately? Unless and until some team actually puts enough together to break away from the pack, everyone's got a legitimate shot, expect for the 'Spos of course. The Mets would be nuts not to try and make a move. I agree that they shouldn't give up too much of the youth, but you simply can't avoid making some kind of move and taking a shot at it.
Going into this season, I was just looking for progress over last year and not necessarily contending, but with the way things have shaken out, it's now a VERY realistic possibility and if the front office doesn't do something to prove that they recognize that fact, I'd be very disappointed.
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(7/15/04 11:12 am)
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I'm not talking about a shot at winning the division. That ain't the goal, or it shouldn't be. I'm talking about getting a ring. A rental that costs youth for just a divisional title would be even MORE ridiculous.
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(7/15/04 1:41 pm)
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I can't agree. It's all about winning, and as long as you've got a legitimate shot at contention - which the Mets do - then no move should be considered irrelevant. I don't know about you, but I want the front office to have the balls to step and do what it takes to build a winning team. The team itself is doing it's part this year, now it's up to the front office to do theirs. I don't want them to do anything outrageous, like give up top prospects for nothing, but by the same token if they just sit on their hands then they're selling us all out - team and fans. I certainly don't want that.
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(7/15/04 2:52 pm)
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i agree CL, ownership is in a position where they NEED to do something to give us a shot at winning the division. we all know that we didnt expect much more than to be hoovering at or near .500, but when you factor in that a .500 record(one game over) is only 2 games out of FIRST, you got to do something!
and dun, if the mets can win the division, then anything beyond that is possible. the "best" teams do not always win the RING. we have seen wild card teams win it all, we have seen the apparent best teams get beat. keep in mind as well, in the 2000 subway series, those dreaded yankmees had the WORST record of all 8 teams that made the post season. ANYTHING is possible if you can get there!
and yes dun, i agree, in making a move to help give us a shot this year, they must be careful to NOT mortgage the future for a rental. and i firmly believe the organization knows this and will NOT trade wright, kasmir, peterson, keppel etc, especially for an older veteran or someone who is will be here only thru the end of this season. i am not against trading some minor leaguers for short term health......MOST minor leaguers are simply "pawns" anyway, but those top 4 or 6 guys can not go unless its an absolute blockbuster(such as kazmir included in a deal for hallady). i am hopeful a deal can be found and consummated that will help us NOW and that this player(pitcher) will also be around to help for several years to come in the FUTURE.
its a very fine tightrope that duquette and the wilpons are balancing on, and i expect that they will NOT make an obvious or major mistake in any decisions they make in the next 2 weeks leading up to the deadline.
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(7/15/04 3:01 pm)
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It's a bad gamble. The kind that gamblers who end up broke would make. Sure, ANYTHING'S possible, but I don't count on lotto as my retirement plan. The Mets are not contenders folks. Can they win this division? Sure. Are they contenders for a ring? Nah. Stay the course, and they will be in 2 or 3 yrs.
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(7/15/04 6:20 pm)
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i hear what your saying dun, BUT if the mets should happen to win the division, to compare thier odds of winning the whole thing to winning the lottery is lunacy!
ANY team that makes the post season, regardless of how and regardless of record, CAN win the RING.
again though, i am not an advocate of trading the best of our youth for the oppurtunity this season at the expense of oppurtunities for severl future seasons.......however there is room for this club to make a move or two that will help now and NOT jeopardize the future.
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(7/15/04 8:14 pm)
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It's a better bet using the rhythm method of birth control, that what you're advocating. The Mets would be incredible longshots even if they made the post. Let's not be fooled AGAIN by an odd set of cirucmstances, into thinking we have a legit ring contender here. And as I've said before, it they really ARE going to earn the name miracle mets again, let em do it as they are. Now that really WOULD be a miracle.
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(7/16/04 9:48 am)
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ive got rhythm, ive got rhythm...who could ask for anything more!
you certainly are a stubborn old bat, arent you. let me repeat AGAIN.....im not saying the mets should go out and make some ridiculous deal that will hamper the future of the organization. but lets face it, given the current state of the NL east, the mets do have a legit chance at this moment to take the division and advance to the playoffs........and i will show my stubborn side and again say that once you make the playoffs, anything is possible. sure, of all the teams that make the playoffs, if the mets are one of them, they will likely be the longest shot of all to get the ring, but long shots have WON several times in recent years.
as long as the mets temper thier deal making in efforts to help improve this years team(and hopefully future years teams at the same time), then by all means, they should go for it. a division championship, a play off birth and a possible worlds championship is just as good in 2004 as it will be in any season 2005 and beyond.
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(7/16/04 12:47 pm)
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Jim, I'm not disagreeing with anyone that they have a shot at the division and making the post. That's CLEARLY true. I just don't consider that important, given a 1st round exit, which has an extremely high probability, imo. Or failing that, a 2nd round, or ...........
But hey, if they really ARE the miracle Mets, then whatever. Just don't trade any 1st or 2nd tier prospects or young players.
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(7/16/04 2:20 pm)
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While I agree with your arguments completely, jim, I wish I could be as confident that the front office will get the job done without screwing up. Duquette seems to know what he's doing at this point, but I have zero faith in the Wilpons.
I hope your faith in them is enough for all of us.
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(7/17/04 12:53 pm)
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Well he IS kind of a large humanoid.................
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