Multi-country attack
OK, in game 270 we came up with a game situation. The Ionian Sea had at the end of the French turn = 1 UK DD and 1 AH SS. So when I played the Turks on the next turn I sent in 2 Turkish SS thinking (and this is the reason of this topic) that if I don't score a hit on the first round I could delete the AH SS as casualty, giving me a second round of attack against the UK DD.
I personaly think this should be allowed, as long as the third party does not participate in the attack directly. In this case the AH sub never fired a shot. What does the TGW comunity think ?
Thanks Denis
boromir Field Marshall
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(3/6/06 8:58 pm) Reply
Re: Multi-country attack
A different way to pose this question:
assuming a power attacks enemy shipping in a SZ also containing ships of his ally, may those allied ships be taken as casualties?
in Denis' example: Can the Austrian Sub be taken as a casualty for a defensive hit?
Boromir
jwlbigdog Field Marshall
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(3/7/06 4:30 am) Reply
No...
Here's why:
Remember that any attacking ship must declare its participation in combat. Merely being in the zone does not mean that the ship will be in combat - you make a decision for each ship. This is best illustrated during an amphibious assault: escorting battleships and the transports do not participate in the naval engagement; they are involved in amphibious action. These ships may not be taken as casualties, as they weren't in the battle to begin with.
Similarly, an ally's ships in the zone are inactive. They may defend, of course, but cannot be involved in an offensive engagement outside their country's turn. As they cannot participate in the combat, they cannot be taken as casualties.
This is only inferred from, not directly stated in, the latest edition of TGW ruleset. I don't know, Imp, if you think a note should be made to this effect. I can't imagine you disagreeing with my interpretation. Any comments? Imp? Stimpy?
(P.S. This is also the same interpretation in every single other A&A-based game. I know we're not supposed to use them as precedent, Imp, but I doubt you intended to buck this trend.)
Imp's Right Hand
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(3/7/06 3:02 pm) Reply
Re: No...
There are no "multi national" attacks in TGW. The rules do not state definitively regarding this particular example. However, as JWL points out, this is inferred.
As the attacking country, you have control of only those units whose turn it currently is. This includes combat and as a result the casualties allowed in combat.
I apologize for not citing the rules. They are not handy at this moment. So I cannot bring up anything from them specifically. Though, rather than cite a rule that allows them, is there something in the rules that specifically cause controversy as to whether or not such an action should be allowed?
However, I can fully assure you, the intent of the rules are such that the attacking Turkish navy cannot use Austrian naval vessels in the same sea zone as casualties. There is no debate on this topic I'm afraid.
I hope this helps to clarify.
Stimp
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