International foosing

The Danish association is actually doing something useful. Incredible as it may seem. :-)
I have taken the liberty to post a message on Bonziniusa.com about the adding of this international section.
Maybe somebody could do it on NATSAs site as well?

Now all we need is a subject of discussion, and one of international character this time. How about the old idea of an international organisation for foosball/babyfoot/bordfodbold?
If the Frenchies can´t agree on it, and the Belgians are too lazy to do it, maybe the US and Denmark should?
(of course, the first regulation in such an organisation should be ALL PLAYERS ARE FORCED TO PLAY BONZINI, AND NEW YORK SHALL BE FORCED TO INSTALL SUCH TABLES EVERYWHERE!!

What do you think?

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miversen Forum Gud (6/17/00 2:41 am) Reply	International foosing In honour of our friend, worldfamous fooser Bruce Nardoci, this area will be avaiable to all international foosers who may stumble by our forum. Bruce has been around the block a couple of times. Some of us had the opportunity to meet him in Nantes '98. Bruce is involved with NATSA and BonZINI USA as well as being a nice guy Take it away Bruce...
Morgan Local User (6/18/00 6:28 pm) Reply	AHA! The Danish association is actually doing something useful. Incredible as it may seem. :-) I have taken the liberty to post a message on Bonziniusa.com about the adding of this international section. Maybe somebody could do it on NATSAs site as well? Now all we need is a subject of discussion, and one of international character this time. How about the old idea of an international organisation for foosball/babyfoot/bordfodbold? If the Frenchies can´t agree on it, and the Belgians are too lazy to do it, maybe the US and Denmark should? (of course, the first regulation in such an organisation should be ALL PLAYERS ARE FORCED TO PLAY BONZINI, AND NEW YORK SHALL BE FORCED TO INSTALL SUCH TABLES EVERYWHERE!! What do you think?
brucenardoci Registered User (6/20/00 12:02 am) Reply	Re: International foosing Thanks Morten for the kind words - my head is now swelling to international proportions ;-). I just got back from the French National Championships in June, and went to the Belgian (Jupiter) National Championships back in April, as well as a Canadian Bonzini tournament in March and a British (Rene Pierre) tournament back in December. I've been looking forward to going to Denmark to play - whatever happened to the big Danish Open tournament that was going to happen in 1999 (are you still planning on having one sometime?). As to an international organization for foosball, one of the committee's I'm on in the NATSA (North American Table Soccer Organization - www.natsa.org) is going to try to establish a "World Table Soccer Organization" to try to bring the world of foosball closer together - things like standardizing rules (as much as possible given the differences in table design), coordinating tournaments (so there won't be situations like is upcoming the first weekend in July with a $50,000 Tornado National Championship tournament and the European Bonzini Championships being held the same weekend which cuts down on the international participation for both), and many other things. We will certainly be seeking out representation from each country's official foosball organizations(s) to participate in this. Unfortunately, that committee hasn't started work yet, due to it's members being involved in other committee's. For instance, I'm on the Rankings/Ratings committee which is just now finishing up its work - we think we've come up with an excellent way to rank/rate foosball players (it's based on the system Chess uses, and Bonzini USA is already using it to great effect - if you want more info, see the descritpion about it on the "Players" page of www.bonziniusa.com). There is also a picture of the Danish National Team from the 1998 Bonzini World Championship on the "Gallery" page of the Bonini USA web site. The NATSA web site currently doesn't have a "Links" section to list this Danish foosball forum on, but I'll try to get one added to the NATSA site. I will also add a link to the Bonzini USA site the next time I update it. In the meantime, if anyone has any questions about NATSA, or other suggestions, I'll be glad to help. I had planned to regularly read this entire Danish Forum, since it covers Bonzini/Rene Pierre style tables, but I just noticed my language translation software doesn't include Danish :-(. I will try to keep up with this international section though. P.S. Hi Morgan - hope to see you at one of the upcoming Bonzini USA tournaments. From recent discussions with Alan Cribbs I think there is some hope for getting Bonzini tables in the New York area :-), and there is already some Rene Pierres there.
Morgan Local User (6/20/00 5:50 pm) Reply	Tables??? Hey Bruce, I'll definitely try to make it this ... uh was it October? Tables in NY?!! :-O Alan told me that there are some private owners of Rene Pierre tables around, though I still don't know where. He also told me that he would be interested in a list of possible dealers of tables. I'm just finishing that list now, and will send it to him very soon. But do you guys have buyers waiting, or are you still "looking into the possibilities"? I'm Jonesing here!!! Please get me a place to play...! :-) Morgan.
brucenardoci Global User (6/20/00 10:33 pm) Reply	Re: Tables??? From talking to Alan , I understand there is a distributor somewhere in New York (Long Island?) who distributes RP tables and has been having some problems with them, and was wanting to buy some Bonzini rods to use on his RP tables. Also, I seem to remember that RPs are also popular in some other part of the state (not city) of New York, but I can't remember where - maybe Alan does. Alan is also currently working with an operator in NY to possibly distribute Bonzini tables, so there's hope in the future too. The two best (biggest) Bonzini USA tournaments to come to would be either the North Carolina State Championships in Raleigh NC in October, or the Virginia State Championship in Virginia Beach in November - info on them is on the "Tournaments" page at www.bonziniusa.com.
Morgan Local User (6/21/00 3:13 am) Reply	Goodie, goodie... North Carolina State Championships in Raleigh NC in October is the one I'm trying to make it to. Do you know if I need a license (like the French do it) in order to participate? About the RP tables. I don't know anymore. Somebody told me the same thing some time ago, and I tried to locate that company, to check weither they would tell me who they sold to. Never found them... But if Alan has plans with a possible dealer it would be really great, 'cause I sure prefer playing Bonzini now! Used to play RP and it's just not the same. If there IS a dealer of RPs, do you need me to call him and make him understand how much better Bonzini-tables are? You know, as a player in his state? Just let me know. Morgan
brucenardoci Global User (6/22/00 12:55 am) Reply	Re: Goodie, goodie... No, you don't need a license to play in Bonzini USA tournaments - just come and sign up and have fun! I doubt the RP company can help you with where the tables were sold in NY, but most of the RP tables sold in the USA have come through Brady Distributing in Charlotte - they might be able to tell you the name of the operator(s) in NY they've sold them too, and then the operator can tell you where the tables are at . Brady's phone number is (704) 357-6284. Contact Alan about helping get Bonzini's in NY - I'm sure he'd appreciate the help. Maybe you could be the NY Player Respresentative of Bonzini USA :-).
miversen Forum Gud (6/23/00 1:53 pm) Reply	Re: Goodie, goodie... Go for it Morgan!
Morgan Local User (6/23/00 11:42 pm) Reply	Do Americans know the "German shot"? Thanks Morten! Just played yesterday at Down the Hatch on 4th street in NYC, and lost everything. Those bloody Tornadotables are just not my thing... How do you do it Bruce? Speaking of German (not Bruce... the tables) I wonder if American Bonzini-players know about the German shot... Hehehe it might proove to be my secret weapon. Especially because they wouldn't know what it is. (Danes know better ) Bruce or Alan: Any idea how much the October-tournament is going to cost to participate in? How many events?
Stefan Janssen Unregistered User (7/4/00 1:20 pm) Reply	German shot? Hi, I'm from Germany. Could you please tell me what the "german shot" ist? I don't know any special shot, that I've not seen in USA.
Morgan Registered User (7/5/00 3:43 pm) Reply	Re: German shot? Hi Stefan, wie gehst? Don't worry, you haven't missed anything. The "German" shot is only a Danish way of saying: "Play securely, make sure you score 100%". It of course derived from the German soccer-team's way of always making it to finals (if not winning them), never giving up, and that sort of things. I just used it as kind of a joke, and hopefully so Bruce would get really scared...! But it does present an interesting fact. I bet every country has its own foosball-language, jargon and jokes. It would be funny to hear some of them here. To finish the story about the German shot: The first time I heard the expression, was (I believe) after the Germany-England match in Italy '90. That's when then Germans made a famous goal on freekick, that bounced up off the defensive-wall, took the goalie totally by surprise, looping over him when he was running forward, and ended up in the net for another disappointing loss for the English vs. a German team. I remember a fellow-foosballer later that week just yelling out to his partner, in despare of his unsuccesful attempts to make some extraordinary goal that wouldn't happen, to "Spil Tysk! Spil Tysk!". (For the Danish readers, I'm talking about Frederik yelling to Raffy, or was it the other way around?). Welcome Stefan! Do I understand that you've played our American frinds? Were you ever in New York? Ever saw a french table there...? Keep on foosin' in the free world: Morgan Edited by Morgan at: 7/5/00 3:45:34 pm
brucenardoci Registered User (7/5/00 10:59 pm) Reply	Re: Do Americans know the "German shot"? The poster for the October NC State Bonzini Championships should be available on the Bonzini USA web site in about 3 weeks, but from what I understand from the draft of it I've seen (it may change a little) there will be the following events: DYP, 4 on 4, Expert Singles and Doubles, Open Singles and Doubles, Amateur Singles and Doubles, 2nd DYP, Womens Doubles and Singles, and Mixed Doubles. The Bonzini tounaments are always inexpensive to enter, with entry fees in the range of $5 - $25 per events. The will also be "package deals" (similar to the ones on Tornado) to cover entry into many events at a reduced price (about $50 I think).
Morgan Registered User (7/6/00 12:45 am) Reply	"Bonzini" table spotted in New York City!!! Thanks for the details Bruce. I currently working on getting my old partner from Denmark to come with me to NC. He's gonna be in NY for a couple of weeks, and chances are that he'll be there at the right time. Would be cool, 'cause I wouldn't have to go begging for a partner in the doubles... "And now to something completely different": I met a french guy at a party who seemed so sure he had seen a french table in some cafe in Downtown NYC, that I just had to check it out. He was only partially right though: The cafe/restaurant Felix on West Broadway and Canal St DOES in fact have a Bonzini-table, but I have to classify it as "one of the oldest I've ever seen" (and I've seen a few). It is of course completely impossible to play on, not only because of it's "Perfect Stormish" surface, but mainly due to the fact that one of the front bars is missing. Also the rest of the bars are stuck, and have probably not been oiled since the early part of the 17th century. Asking the bartenders when they would change the table, and if they needed phone-numbers to BonziniUSA, proved also to be futile for the simple reason that the table actually only serves as a separator between the restaurant and the bar... Great way to use a museum-piece, don't you think? A little gossip: The owner of the place said that I should call some place in California (never gave me the number frenchly enough). Any idea what he ment? Do you have unexpected competition from the West coast, or was he just talking about Tornado? Cheerio: Morgan.
Stefan Unregistered User (7/6/00 7:39 am) Reply	German Shot Hi, I went to Dallas last year and played in the Tornado world championship. Never been to any other town in the states :.( because my girlfriend prefers holidays in Italy. I played on some french styled tables in Germany and other european countries and like them very much, but after eleven years on german styled tables I don't play well on tables like the Bonzini. Keep on foosin' Stefan
Morgan Registered User (7/6/00 11:27 pm) Reply	Re: German Shot Hey Stefan, Of course, I should say "But French tables are much better than Tornados...", but I won't. Instead I'll repeat what I have said before: That different types of tables should be admitted to the same tournaments. There is no doubt in my mind that whichever type of table is more popular in any area/country, is the type that is played on in major tournaments in that area. And of course nobody wants to play "seriously" on any other type of table than their own. Therefore, we concentrate in small areas where we can play "our" type of foosball. In doing so we iliminate any chance of merging the playstyles, and making foosball/tischball/bordfodbold/ babyfoot an international sport on a large level. We're all joking about making foosball an olympic disciplin, but until the entire world agrees what to do about different styles, we won't come very far in that respect. And I think it definitely could be done. I've seen the kind of money that is pouring into tournaments. Sponsors, players, judges, rules, everything is ready, but we can't agree on which table to play on. That is why I have the hugest respect for players who play on different tabletypes. Frederic Collignon and Bruce Nardoci are two examples. They proove that it can be done. I just hope that we soon will be able to go to a tournament and under "Single, Doubles, DYP" aso, there will also be a "tabletype" where we will be able to choose which one we prefer. And if we want to try playing on another one... then that will be possible too. I believe that it can only improve our game... though, of course, french tables ARE much better! Keep it rolling: Morgan
brucenardoci Registered User (7/7/00 11:10 pm) Reply	Re: "Bonzini" table spotted in New York City!!! In response to your question about a place in California to get Bonzini tables, I think Alan is working with someone there to possibly distribute Bonzini tables in the future, but the tables will still come from Alan (he has exclusive USA rights). In fact, a store or something located in California with an internet site advertised Bonzini tables (as well as other table types) for sale, but had to give up the Bonzini aspect I think because they found they couldn't get tables from the factory (they'd have to buy the from Alan). Looking forward to seeing you at the NC State tournament.
Lemao Unregistered User (8/2/00 12:05 am) Reply	Foosball videos I have been trying to find some foosball videos for a while and without total success. Could you send me the URL or even the videos itself by email? ydwit@iname.com
Morgan Registered User (8/2/00 4:08 pm) Reply	Re: Foosball videos Hey Lemao, It really dependents on which kind of table you play on! Here are some examples: www.bonziniusa.com/CDROMdescription.htm (big program with all tricks and shots/videos. The link is for a free trial version, while the real thing costs money. Only for French tables like Bonzini) www.bonziniusa.com/BonzPl...sFrame.htm (All sorts of good tips from players. No videos as far as I can see, but it's worth a look) www.francebabyfoot.com/ph...mmaire.htm (Photos and videos from different tournaments in France. Again, it's only Bonzini) ftp://sayitfast.com/foosball.zip (This .zip-file should contain a video about foosball on Tornado-tables) www.tischfussball.de/ (and finally a link to the german foos-page which contains some different material you might find interesting, incl. pics and videos. This page is only for german-style tables). Hope this works for you! Morgan.
jmtown Unregistered User (2/18/01 7:44 pm) Reply	Foosball Tounaments in the USA I am interested in begining tournament play. Where do I find information on the upcoming tournaments? Any info will help. Thank you. Jen Town
Morgan Registered User (2/19/01 2:53 am) Reply	Re: Foosball Tounaments in the USA Hey Jen, That really depends on which tabletype you play. If you're in the US and you're playing Tornado, check out www.natsa.org which stands for North American Table Soccer Association. Table soccer is another name for foosball. In www.natsa.org, click "Playing Locations" and find a location near you. "Upcoming events" are the larger tournaments coming up. If you happen to be playing French "Bonzini" or "Rene Pierre" (basically the same table) instead, you will wanna try www.bonziniusa.com Their locations are especially on the Eastcoast (Va, NC mostly). Happy foosin' : Morgan.
ElGreco Unregistered User (8/9/01 2:23 pm) Reply	longshot Does anyone know where I might be able to buy the "longshot" video on vhs viewable in Denmark?? Kristian

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